2014 Pilot Discussion

[traderjake]

 
 
P.S. Don't give us any bull about you wanting the company to give you any money... you were dead set against Doug giving you anymore than $10K (before taxes) to sign the MOU.... and now you pretend to be upset about $1M. Admit it. You hate John and love Chip. That too is mindless.
 

 
Your boys were played and played by their own lawyer.
 
They were tricked into taking credit for retro pay that was already on the table in exchange for a unanimous vote on the MOU.  

 

[Pi brat]

I will. I'm curious what happened to Airways ALPA funds when the USAPA era of hegemony began on April 18, 2008?

I really don't remember. I don't remember getting any refunded, but we might have. I don't think they had any ongoing litigation though.

 

[Phoenix]

 
Your boys were played and played by their own lawyer.
 
They were tricked into taking credit for retro pay that was already on the table in exchange for a unanimous vote on the MOU.  

 
 
That is exactly what you applaud.  The company tricking pilots to accept less, with the aid of other pilots, while some pilots had the company pay the taxes on their stock distribution.  The taxes alone were more than what you accepted to vote yes....  Did you help trick the MEC into giving away your pension, or do regret that they were just of equal mind to you, and there was no one to trick?  

 

[Phoenix]

I will. I'm curious what happened to Airways ALPA funds when the USAPA era of hegemony began on April 18, 2008?

 
 
Refresh our memory....  Did they help AOL publish those shiny brochures?  😀

 

[Claxon]

I will. I'm curious what happened to Airways ALPA funds when the USAPA era of hegemony began on April 18, 2008?

What happened to the america west alpa funds?  What is happening with the army of lyingnitas funds?
 
It must have been quite a sight on April 18th, 2008 to see johnny mac, mitch vasalino and staff being promptly kicked out of the PHX alpa office and out in to the street.
 

 

[traderjake]

That is exactly what you applaud.  The company tricking pilots to accept less, with the aid of other pilots, while some pilots had the company pay the taxes on their stock distribution.  The taxes alone were more than what you accepted to vote yes....  Did you help trick the MEC into giving away your pension, or do regret that they were just of equal mind to you, and there was no one to trick?  

 
Maybe if you had chanted "Full pay to the last day" a little louder you would have gotten your way .

 

[snapthis]

 
It must have been quite a sight on April 18th, 2008 to see johnny mac, mitch vasalino and staff being promptly kicked out of the PHX alpa office and out in to the street.

There is going to be a similar sight on Woodlawn when the APA takes over.

 

[Phoenix]

Maybe if you had chanted "Full pay to the last day" a little louder you would have gotten your way .

What? You extol those who use tricks to get what they want... And then you don't share the "Book of Tricks"? 😀

 

[Piedmont1984]

There is going to be a similar sight on Woodlawn when the APA takes over.

Don't need Woodlawn. Just need to maintain a merger committee which is fully autonomous, currently staffed, funded with monies already designated for its use, having access to legal counsel already in place and not having to obtain approval from APA for any of it.

 

[traderjake]

Just need to maintain a merger committee which is fully autonomous, currently staffed, funded with monies already designated for its use, having access to legal counsel already in place and not having to obtain approval from APA for any of it.

 
If you're suggesting that after decertification an East merger committee gets to use the USAPA treasury, that ain't gonna happen.

 

[traderjake]

And then you don't share the "Book of Tricks"? 😀

 
I thought I just did.

 

[Phoenix]

Don't need Woodlawn. Just need to maintain a merger committee which is fully autonomous, currently staffed, funded with monies already designated for its use, having access to legal counsel already in place and not having to obtain approval from APA for any of it.

Its really funny seeing everyone tell us what will happen in the future without making reference to the federal statute.  If things aren't being done now under the federal statute, why do they think the federal astute will be applied differently in the future? 

 

[Freighterguynow]

Where's USAPA? ALPA is once again leading the way for the profession, just like with KCM (have you noticed every KCM sign has the TSA and ALPA logo together?), but where's USAPA's support? Oh yea...The only thing that really matters to USAPA and their supporters is to virtually stapling the entire West pilot SL to the bottom of the USAPA proposed joint US Airways-AWA ISL and then going to M-B with a 2-way arbitration with USAPA acting like a union on FPL post SCC. 

#185 USA320Pilot Posted 24 September 2007 - 03:38 PM
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Click here to read an article published today in the USA Today about US Airways pilots.

Speaking of USAPA Authorization Cards -- today I had 3 more pilots sign cards, I took them to the Post Office, bought stamps, and then mailed the cards to USAPA.

Regards,

USA320Pilot

 

[Piedmont1984]

Its really funny seeing everyone tell us what will happen in the future without making reference to the federal statute.  If things aren't being done now under the federal statute, why do they think the federal astute will be applied differently in the future?

If the MOU did not exist then where would we be and who would act as official representative? The answer is we would be knee deep in arbitration and USAPA would be arguing our case.

The MOU should be an enhancement to the federal statute, providing us with even more protections and safeguards (compared to the statute) against an APA that dreams of another TWA-like experience at our expense. The protocol agreement is the lynchpin.

Still a chance we could reach a protocol agreement. This is the very 'alternative seniority dispute resolution process' envisioned by the statute and articulated in Section 13b of AM. But should we fail then the MB statute is the only mechanism remaining to reach a SLI.

 

[dariencc]

#185 USA320Pilot Posted 24 September 2007 - 03:38 PM
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Click here to read an article published today in the USA Today about US Airways pilots.

Speaking of USAPA Authorization Cards -- today I had 3 more pilots sign cards, I took them to the Post Office, bought stamps, and then mailed the cards to USAPA.

Regards,

USA320Pilot

 
 
USA320Pilot comments:

Mitch has 3 years of active AWA service, he has flown about 1,500 hours of major airline service, and he is relatively inexperienced in the cockpit. Meanwhile, the Nicolau Award gave him gave him a senioity number of 4,367 that placed him between two 19-year US Airways East pilots with 2,000 pilots below him in seniority. If this is not an injustice I do not know what is. As far as I am concerned Vasin can go "pound sand".

Regards,

USA320Pilot