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prechilill said:
Very well said, Chip. You have a knack for telling it like it is.
#16 USA320Pilot Posted 10 May 2007 - 11:56 PM
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Charlie,

Go ahead. Pizz off the US Airways pilots even more, spend thousands of dollars in legal fees, and then watch the US Airways pilots negotiate per the Transition Agreement, but for some reason never reach a deal.

Moreover, I understand that is exactly what the company wants and ALPA East told management to stay out of this fight. Why? The company would like nothing better to keep the pilot groups separate, not give either group a raise, and then be able to "whip saw" the America West pilots.

Again, the only way out of this is for the US Airways and America West MEC to negotiate a settlement. It's your choice because to a man and woman the US Airways pilots are perfectly happy to remain separate.

Regards,

USA320Pilot


#26 USA320Pilot Posted 18 May 2007 - 12:38 PM
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Prechilill,

The US Airways pilots will never accept the Nicolau Award. The Award may stand, but the US Airways pilots have the ability to prevent it from being implemented for about a decade and there is nothing the America West pilots can do about it.

Furthermore, I guarantee you this. I will do everything in my power to right the wrongs of the Nicolau Award until I die and the ALPA PHL and PIT Reps. and I are aligned in this fight.

Regards,

USA320Pilot
 
prechilill said:
Kasher will pay... Lol
Stupid fools
Bit you right in that fat arse of yours. Separate pay, separate ops, no JCBA. No JCBA , no Nic.
No 330 pay, no upgrades, no F/O wide body jobs.
No 330 seat for you to sniff. No Asheville. For years to come. Years. You and Ames.
Stupid is, as stupid does.
 
Claxon said:
Bit you right in that fat arse of yours. Separate pay, separate ops, no JCBA. No JCBA , no Nic.
No 330 pay, no upgrades, no F/O wide body jobs.
No 330 seat for you to sniff. No Asheville. For years to come. Years. You and Ames.
Stupid is, as stupid does.
Hope this merge takes years, good deal for AA and us.
 
luvthe9 said:
Hope this merge takes years, good deal for AA and us.
america west-USAirways merger-2005.
Have east and west pilots yet shared a flight deck some 9 years later?
No. west pilots have chosen to stay isolated and off A330 for years to come. Same with upgrades. New hire east pilots will upgrade faster than 10 yr west pilots now.
 
UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT WESTERN DISTRICT OF NORTH CAROLINA CHARLOTTE DIVISION 3:11-cv-371-RJC-DCK
 
US AIRWAYS, INC., Plaintiff, vs.

US AIRLINE PILOTS ASSOCITATION, and

MICHAEL J. CLEARY


THIS MATTER comes before the Court on Defendants Motion to Vacate the Permanent Injunction, (Doc. 93), and the memoranda supporting the respective positions of the parties, (Docs. 9496). It is ripe for review. I. BACKGROUND The question in this case is whether to vacate a permanent injunction issued by this Court two years ago to enjoin violations of the Railway Labor Act (RLA). The injunction was issued in response to a pattern of unlawful work stoppages perpetrated by Defendants in order to gain leverage in a collective bargaining dispute with the Plaintiff, US Airways, Inc. Defendants, a pilots union (USAPA) and its officer, were specifically enjoined from coordinating and conducting slowdown tactics such as delaying flight times by issuing superfluous maintenance write-ups and prolonging taxi times. (Doc. 72). After the parties agreed to convert the preliminary injunction into a permanent injunction on January 11, 2012, (Doc. 91), US Airways merged with American Airlines, (collectively: American). Defendants contend that changed factual circumstances stemming from the merger justify dissolving the injunction. (Id.).
Case 3:11-cv-00371-RJC-DCK Document 97 Filed 06/13/14 Page 1 of 5
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US Airways and American Airlines memorialized their merger with a Memorandum of Understanding, (MOU), which implemented industry standard pay and job protections for US Airways pilots. (Doc. 94). It is the Defendants position that the MOU renders the injunction unnecessary. (Doc. 94). Furthermore, Defendants contend that good faith compliance for two years weighs heavily in favor of dissolution. (Doc. 94). Plaintiff disagrees and contends that circumstances have not changed to the extent necessary to justify dissolving the injunction. Significantly, Plaintiff argues that it is precisely because the parties are about to enter into collective bargaining negotiations that Defendants seek to dissolve the injunction. Notwithstanding Defendants full compliance, it is the Plaintiffs position that the injunction is still needed to prevent unlawful work stoppages that could ensue as the parties enter into collective bargaining negotiations. (Doc. 95). II. STANDARD OF REVIEW As the party seeking relief from the injunction, Defendants bear the burden of establishing that changed circumstances warrant relief. FED. R. CIV. P. 60((6); In re Brunley, 938 F.2d 1, 3 (4th Cir. 1992) (internal citations omitted). Courts consider several factors in determining whether to vacate a permanent injunction, including: (1) the circumstances leading to entry of the injunction and the nature of the conduct sought to be prevented; (2) the length of time since entry of the injunction; (3) whether the party subject to its terms has complied or attempted to comply in good faith with the injunction; (4) the likelihood that the conduct or conditions sought to be prevented will recur absent the injunction; and, (5) whether the objective of the decree has been achieved and whether continued enforcement would be detrimental to the Case 3:11-cv-00371-RJC-DCK Document 97 Filed 06/13/14 Page 2 of 5
3 public interest. North Carolina Alliance for Transp. Reform, Inc. v. U.S. Dep't of Transp., 713 F. Supp. 2d 491, 512 (M.D.N.C. 2010). III. DISCUSSION Defendants offer several reasons why this Court should vacate the permanent injunction, including: that the injunction is moot because the union is no longer engaged in collective bargaining with US Airways; that the MOU implemented favorable industry standard terms and thereby removed any incentive to engage in slowdown tactics; that the injunction is burdensome because it is not narrowly tailored; and, that it adds an element of confusion as to whether the new American Airlines is protected by the injunction and whether post-merger pilots are bound by it. Finally, USAPA contends that its good faith compliance for two years weighs heavily in favor of dissolution. By contrast, US Airways contends that this motion, filed on the eve of negotiations for a joint collective bargaining agreement (JCBA), suggests an intent to resume a campaign of slowdown tactics; that compliance with the injunction is not burdensome as it merely mandates that Defendants refrain from behavior which they have no legal right to engage in; and that the injunction is necessary to the public interest to protect the flying public from delays and cancellations. A permanent injunction may be dissolved when it is no longer equitable due to changed or unforeseen circumstances. FED. R. CIV. PRO. 60((6); Crutchfield v. U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, 175 F. Supp. 2d 835, 843 (E.D.Va. 2001). However, the Defendants have not carried the initial burden of showing that circumstances stemming from the unforeseen merger warrant the extraordinary relief of dissolving a permanent injunction. See id. Case 3:11-cv-00371-RJC-DCK Document 97 Filed 06/13/14 Page 3 of 5
4 Principally, it cannot be said that the concerns that brought about the injunction have been put to rest due to the merger. Under the terms of the merger, the parties are scheduled to engage in a new set of collective bargaining negotiations to establish contractual terms applicable to all pilots employed by (post-merger) American Airlines. (Doc. 95). Therefore, it does not follow that there is nothing left to address as Defendants claim. (Doc. 94). Moreover, notwithstanding the upcoming JCBA negotiations, Defendants have failed to offer any substantive reason why the injunction is unduly burdensome and detrimental to the public interest. Even if all contentious issues had been resolved by the merger, complying with duties already existing (under the RLA) is not substantially more onerous now than at the time the injunction was issued. Additionally, the extent to which the merger renders the injunction unworkable appears to be overstated. Defendants arguments would have more traction if the effect of the injunction was to prohibit a class of pilots from performing activities that another class was allowed to perform freely. Here, the injunction does nothing more than formally prohibit activities to a certain class of pilots that are already prohibited to all pilots. This is another way of saying that the injunction merely requires Defendants to obey the existing laws; it does not, by its own terms, create any differences in the types of activities allowed by certain classes of pilots. On balance, Defendants good faith compliance, while relevant, is nonetheless outweighed by the natural possibility that slowdown tactics might resume during any negotiations. Finally, Defendant contends the injunction must be vacated because it is inconsistent with the Norris-LaGuardia Act (NLGA). This argument is unavailing. While the NLGA prevents courts from issuing injunctions that unfairly curb a unions collective bargaining power, it does not displace the Railway Labor Act, which governs collective bargaining disputes and takes precedence over the NLGA. Brotherhood of R.R. Trainmen v. Chicago R.R. & Ind. R.R. Co., 353 U.S. 30, 40 (1957). The Supreme Court has repeatedly found that district courts have the authority to enjoin RLA violations even if they have an adverse effect on the collective bargaining posture of a party. Id. at 42. The district court has the jurisdiction and power to issue necessary injunctive orders (to enforce compliance with the requirements of the Railway Labor Act) notwithstanding the provisions of the Norris-LaGuardia Act. Id. (quoting Brotherhood of R.R. Trainmen v. Howard, 343 U.S. 768, 774 (1952)) (parentheses in original). This Court conducted an NLGA analysis when it granted the preliminary injunction and found no conflict between the terms of the injunction and the NLGA as the former merely enforced compliance with theRLA. (Doc. 72). Additionally, the NLGA establishes standards for injunctive relief and does not speak to the dissolution of injunctions. 29 U.S.C. § 101. Accordingly, this injunction remains relevant to prevent RLA violations, and the NLGA does not set forth any criteria that would require this Court to vacate a valid permanent injunction. For these reasons, the Court denies Defendants motion to vacate the permanent injunction.

IV. CONCLUSION IT IS, THEREFORE, ORDERED that: 1. Plaintiffs Motion to Vacate the Permanent Injunction (Doc. No. 93), is DENIED; 2. The Clerk of Court is directed to close this case.
Signed: June 13, 2014

Robert J. Conrad, Jr.

United States District Judge
 
Today, federal Judge Robert Conrad denied USAPA's motion to vacate the Permanent Injunction because the union and its supporters were found guilty of committing a crime with their illegal job action. Is anybody surprised USAPA lost another case?
 
Again, if you continue to do what you have done you will get the same results.
 
I'm wondering if USAPA should raise the pilot's dues even more to pay for a PIC appeal, an appeal of the 3% grievance court decision, or an appeal of today's Permanent Injunction decision? 
 
USA320Pilot said:
Today, federal Judge Robert Conrad denied USAPA's motion to vacate the Permanent Injunction because the union and its supporters were found guilty of committing a crime with their illegal job action. Is anybody surprised USAPA lost another case?
 
Again, if you continue to do what you have done you will get the same results.
 
I'm wondering if USAPA should raise the pilot's dues even more to pay for a PIC appeal, an appeal of the 3% grievance court decision, or an appeal of today's Permanent Injunction decision? 
Your quote "if you continue to do what you have done you will get the same results...."
In other words, you, continue to make predictions, and they are always wrong.
Take your own advice.
 
[SIZE=10pt]The past two days were bad days for USAPA’s advisors and legal team that some of USAPA's leaders give reason to believe they are “supremely confident” in their approach. The union lost its 3% grievance lawsuit, the union’s petition to vacate the Permanent Injunction was denied, and the union did not obtain a favorable ruling in today’s M-B Injunction telephonic hearing.[/SIZE]
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[SIZE=10pt]What bothers me the most is USAPA’s continued use of demagoguery and misleading communications. According to USAPA the union expects that “APA and the Company will file formal motions to delay discovery next week. Under the applicable rules, USAPA then has up to 17 days to respond.”   [/SIZE]
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[SIZE=10pt]But, USAPA failed to tell the pilots the whole story. Under the rules of law APA and the Company will be able to file a Reply brief, to once again correct USAPA’s response, as has been done in every other case and every other Reply brief.   [/SIZE]
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[SIZE=10pt]I believe it’s important to note that APA and the Company have provided Judge Howell almost 300 hundred documents of the back and forth correspondence between all of the parties during MOU negotiations, which should satisfy all of the required discovery. But, USAPA is seeking more time for discovery and did not agree to arbitrate MTA #5 as required by our contract. When is it ok for USAPA to pick and choose which portions of our contract they will honor and which parts of our contract they will disregard?  [/SIZE]

[SIZE=10pt]The "legislative history" and exhibits filed with the court that were used to negotiate the MOU does not show that USAPA’s argument that MOU Section 10 requires USAPA to continue to represent the US Airways pilots past SCC as USAPA’s advisors claim, even if for only for M-B ISL purposes, if required. How come? Furthermore, there is no where I can find where the M-B statute permits a union to represent itself in any form after it is de-certified. The M-B federal statute is black and white and it's clear per labor law that once a union is decertified it immediately loses all union powers granted to it by labor law.[/SIZE]
 
[SIZE=10pt]In my opinion, USAPA's gamble to commit Judicial Estoppel in an all out effort to prevent the West pilots from representing them self continues to backfire and could come back to haunt us because USAPA's hypocritical arguments are unsupportable as indicated by today's telephonic order.  [/SIZE]
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[SIZE=10pt]It appears to me after today’s hearing USAPA is not going to be too happy when Judge Howell probably orders an [/SIZE][SIZE=10pt]expedited arbitration in a few months on the MOU dispute. By then the pilots will probably have the NMB’s SCC decision too.[/SIZE]
 
Ames said:
I am sure the truth about your whole debacle is somewhere in the middle but I am more likely to believe the guy who doesn't support subverting a process and binding arbitration.  I will also let it be known, Jerry, that you can't be trusted in the cockpit because you recorded activity in the cockpit.  You may have trouble getting flights once that is known.
Ya know Ames,
 
When this JS situation happened, I was surprised that the FO was upset. We sat on the ground in Philly with both engines shut down for at least an hour due to weather......he never said a negative word to me. Later, after we were airborne, he turned around and bitched me out for the way that I entered the cockpit, which, btw, is the way I have always entered the cockpit and asked for JS. He obviously had a big chip on his shoulder and his blood pressure must have been climbing while we sat on the ground. 
 
I apologized that I had offended him, but was unsure as to what his problem was. He has claimed that I came in the cockpit and tossed the fuel slip on the console, saying "here is your fuel slip". He also claimed that I came in the cockpit and shoved the fuel slip in his face. Well, neither of those things happened. He claimed that he looked up at me and saw an American lanyard......how does that happen when my lanyard and ID are being offered to him in my left hand?
 
He was just looking for a reason to #### at an East pilot who happens to be 14 yrs senior to him, 14 yrs being a key time stamp.
 
Anyway, I did apologize, the 3 of us shook hands and agreed that that was the end of it. I went home and forgot about it. A day later, I hear from a friend the this unethical SOB went on to the AOL web board and told a different story as to what actually happened......bragging about how he put me in my place. That is after shaking my hand, accepting my apology, and saying that was the end of it as far as he was concerned.
 
While cruising and after replaying in my mind the way things actually happened, I realized that this guy with his fancy tie was just out to give an East pilot some ####. (which later has been confirmed by 3 other pilots to me)
 
The problem is his attitude and his unethical behavior.
 
Now, recording in the cockpit, I wholly agree that it's not a good idea it sucks..... it's the first time I have considered such a thing. This guy had attacked me and called me unprofessional in how I approached him, however, how can he chew me out based on my so called unprofessional manner as compared to his iPad behavior? The attack on me was undeserved.
 
I have been here 28 yrs and am one of the most trustworthy commuters you will meet.....this was an unusual incident. You do whatever you think you must, I will live with it. Just try to be more ethical than this other azzhole.....if you shake my hand and we agree to something on a personal level, well, I expect that you will keep your word, just as I will keep mine.
 
breeze
 
Claxon said:
Your quote "if you continue to do what you have done you will get the same results...."
In other words, you, continue to make predictions, and they are always wrong.
Take your own advice.
You're kidding, right?
 
When have I been wrong? And, don't use one of the five failed UAL merger attempts or "Project Minnow," which I broke the news as the ICT and then the UCT.  
 
What's interesting is how many US Airways East pilots are like mushrooms and accept what the Demagogues state for two reasons: One, the Demagogues tell what the pilots want to hear and the many pilots cannot make the right decision when it results in financial and personal pain. Instead these pilots will support illicit and even illegal actions in an effort to limit career disappointment, financial loss, and personal pain.
 
It's truly sad...
 
USA320
 
P.S. USAPA was 0-3 this week in legal decisions. At least the trend continues... 
 
EastUS1 said:
 
Seriously? 😉 Guess again. Indolent narcissists that can both fantasize themselves "spartans" in some imaginary "army", and most absurdly of all, somehow "worthy" of usurping even a whole decade and a half (or more) of worked years from their supposed "fellows" are beneath contempt. Somehow...call me crazy here, but methinks opposing your little "army" is exactly the right thing to do, and I'd go so far as to note that even considering doing otherwise would be morally abhorrent. I couldn't give a hair off a "spartan" rat's arse about the "whole process /arbitration". Forgive me if my "black heart" doesn't have the wasted space available for nourishing any such obscenity. I care about doing the right thing here, which "you'se" bunch clearly don't, and I couldn't possibly care any less what you or anyone else thinks about that. Clear enough?
Looking forward to your next mental meltdown on this board.  Good beginning.
 
USA320Pilot said:
You're kidding, right.
 
When have I been wrong? And, don't use one of the five failed UAL merger attempts or "Project Minnow," which I broke the news as the ICT and then the UCT.  
 
What's interesting is how many US Airways East pilots are like mushrooms and accept what the Demagogues state for two reasons: One, the Demagogues tell what the pilots want to hear and the many pilots cannot make the right decision when it results in financial and personal pain. Instead these pilots will support illicit and even illegal actions in an effort to limit career disappointment, financial loss, and personal pain.
 
It's truly sad...
How about the 9th circuit and Silver's decisions in Addington and the DJ before Silver? You have been wrong on the seniority issue at every turn except when you predicted USAPA would defeeat ALPA. Of course being the kid who was always picked last on the playground and the scars it has obviously left on your psyche, you have to grovel at the feet of what ever social circle you think might give you the acceptance you seem to so desperately seek.
 
mrbreeze said:
Ya know Ames,
 
When this JS situation happened, I was surprised that the FO was upset. We sat on the ground in Philly with both engines shut down for at least an hour due to weather......he never said a negative word to me. Later, after we were airborne, he turned around and bitched me out for the way that I entered the cockpit, which, btw, is the way I have always entered the cockpit and asked for JS. He obviously had a big chip on his shoulder and his blood pressure must have been climbing while we sat on the ground. 
 
I apologized that I had offended him, but was unsure as to what his problem was. He has claimed that I came in the cockpit and tossed the fuel slip on the console, saying "here is your fuel slip". He also claimed that I came in the cockpit and shoved the fuel slip in his face. Well, neither of those things happened. 
 
He was just looking for a reason to #### at an East pilot who happens to be 14 yrs senior to him, 14 yrs being a key time stamp.
 
Anyway, I did apologize, the 3 of us shook hands and agreed that that was the end of it. I went home and forgot about it. A day later, I hear from a friend the this unethical SOB went on to the AOL web board and told a different story as to what actually happened......bragging about how he put me in my place. That is after shacking my hand, accepting my apology, and saying that was the end of it as far as he was concerned.
 
While cruising and after replaying in my mind the way things actually happened, I realized that this guy with his fancy tie was just out to give an East pilot some ####. (which has been confirmed by 3 other pilots to me)
 
The problem is his attitude and his unethical behavior.
 
Now, recording in the cockpit, I wholly agree that it's not a good idea and it's the first time I have considered such a thing. This guy had attacked me and called me unprofessional in how I approached him, however, just how unprofessional is his iPad behavior? The attack on me was undeserved.
 
I have been here 28 yrs and am one of the most trustworthy commuters you will meet.....this was an unusual incident. You do whatever you think you must, I will live with it. Just try to be more ethical than this other azzhole.....if you shake my hand and we agree to something on a personal level, well, I expect that you will keep your word, just as I will keep mine.
 
breeze
You are a staunch supporter of usapa and its tactics.  You support subverting the SLI process and resulting arbitration.  Based on this and the fact that you admit the unethical and unprofessional behavior of recording cockpit activity I have a very hard time believing your side of this story.  Why don't you reread your words above and get back to me, Jerry.
 
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