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A320 Driver said:
So you want to turn over complete control of the SLI to the APA and the company and trust them to represent us and do the right thing???
 
Are you NUTZ???
 
 
The APA cajoled ALPA into signing over all representation rights of the TWA pilots.... and the APA got a windfall...  
 
Now APA is trying to cajole USAPA into signing over all representational rights of USAir pilots... so the APA can get another windfall....
 
The APA is a one trick pony.    
 
So you want to turn over complete control of the SLI to the APA and the company and trust them to represent us and do the right thing???
 
Are you NUTZ???
Why do you think the APA pilots will be any less fair to USAPA pilots then east pilots have been fair to west pilots?
 
Everyone has opinions.  Bottom line, apa and American pilots have only two choices, agree to a seniority list with USAPA or three arbiters will decide their fate for the first time in the history of their pilots union.  Either result will become legal and binding.
 
 
".........Nonetheless, ALPA routinely insists on acting as the dual agent for pilots on both sides of such disputes, as it did here.
 
2. To merge the Continental and United seniority lists, ALPA sponsored arbitration. Instead of honoring its duties to both pilot groups and remaining neutral, however, ALPA tilted the playing field to assure a combined seniority list that radically favors pre-merger United pilots at the expense of former Continental pilots. ALPA did so for political expediency. Case 4:14-cv-00451 Document 1 Filed in TXSD on 02/24/14 Page 1 of 20........."
 
"After 14 years of machinations to drive other pilots’ unions out of business, ALPA has actually suffered devastating membership losses. The worst blow came in 2005, after U.S. Airways merged with America West Airlines. ALPA’s handling of that merger explains much about the reasons why ALPA later skewed the seniority-list integration following the United-Continental merger in favor of United pilots.
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"As in this case, ALPA represented pilots on both sides of the U.S. Airways-America West merger. Also as in this case, the U.S. Airways and America West pilots participated in ALPA-sponsored arbitration to decide how to combine their seniority lists. The arbitrators created a list favorable to America West pilots."
Interesting read.  US Airways, america west merger was referred to multiple times.
 
Your alpa pilot "neutrals" (all now united airline pilots) continued their slithering in the grass post the nicolau abomination.
 
http://aviationblog.dallasnews.com/files/2014/02/Continental-pilots-sue-ALPA-over-seniority-integration-Feb.-24-2014.pdf
 
USA320Pilot said:
I know we are ending a holiday weekend, but it has now been four weeks since the BPR passed their resolution(s) to provide APA a new draft PA, UMTA, GA, and MBLS offer. And, no news. What's up with that? Is USAPA being ignored by APA or is there progress at hand? Does Judicial Estoppel = Pyrric Victory?[/size]
 
Tomorrow should be an interesting day with AAG and APA's Reply briefs due to be filed in the District Court for D.C. I wonder what the two strategic partners will have to say about USAPA's lawsuit and AAG/APA's counter suit against the pilot's union?[/size]
 
To my fellow Vets and to those serving today is a day that is about remembrance[/size] [/size]for those who have served and their families. God bless. [/size] [/size]
www.pacer.gov does NOT show the Company and APA filed yesterday. Could be the strategic partners are SCARED? Could it be that that they don't know how to electronically file? Could it be Chip Munn's "legal" knowledge isn't with them and they are rudderless? Could be that Chip Munn and Mark Doyal are such legal "geniuses" that they are scared of DFR 145?

Or COULD IT BE THAT CHIP MUNN DOESNT KNOW WHAT HE IS TALKING ABOUT?

Hey West pilots, why don't you answer that question or are all of you lurking, querking, twerking and jerking at the next Chip Munn "legal analysis"?
 
Claxon said:
Interesting read.  US Airways, america west merger was referred to multiple times.
 
Your alpa pilot "neutrals" (all now united airline pilots) continued their slithering in the grass post the nicolau abomination.
 
http://aviationblog.dallasnews.com/files/2014/02/Continental-pilots-sue-ALPA-over-seniority-integration-Feb.-24-2014.pdf
We haven't heard the last of it over there. Their financials look bleak. Remember the Smisek "ugly girl at the dance" comment? Be careful what you say.

http://www.bizjournals.com/chicago/news/2014/04/24/should-jeff-smisek-be-worried-united-airlines.html?page=all
 
end_of_alpa said:
We haven't heard the last of it over there. Their financials look bleak. Remember the Smisek "ugly girl at the dance" comment? Be careful what you say.http://www.bizjournals.com/chicago/news/2014/04/24/should-jeff-smisek-be-worried-united-airlines.html?page=all
Actually, here is the "correct" comment. Posted for Chip.

“I recognized that United was the best partner for Continental, and I didn’t want him to marry the ugly girl; I wanted him to marry the pretty one,” the chief executive, Jeffery A. Smisek, said at a press conference.

http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2010/05/04/us-airways-c-e-o-were-not-the-ugly-girl/?_php=true&_type=blogs&_r=0
 
The West has kept everything they brought to the merger, ALL their own ATTRITION, ALL their growth, All their length of service, and given profit sharing and a percentage of EAST flying. Good deal for you I would say ELECJET98, Welcome to the airline industry!
 
end_of_alpa said:
www.pacer.gov does NOT show the Company and APA filed yesterday. Could be the strategic partners are SCARED? Could it be that that they don't know how to electronically file? Could it be Chip Munn's "legal" knowledge isn't with them and they are rudderless? Could be that Chip Munn and Mark Doyal are such legal "geniuses" that they are scared of DFR 145?

Or COULD IT BE THAT CHIP MUNN DOESNT KNOW WHAT HE IS TALKING ABOUT?

Hey West pilots, why don't you answer that question or are all of you lurking, querking, twerking and jerking at the next Chip Munn "legal analysis"?
Chip, where is your "expert' analysis?  Where Chip?
 
How come the SILENCE?  WHY?? WHY??  
 
Chip, praytell, WHAT'S HAPPENING?  
 
OH CHIP, SAVE US FROM THE GLOOM AND DOOM YOU SO PROFUSELY PORTEND!
 
john john said:
And you are just like Jerry Glass anti union
 
 

700UW said:
Dues money can be used for organizing purposes, not legal representation for a group of employees with who are not unionized nor part of the CWA.

And are you the new Copy and Paste King?

Your still avoiding the questions I asked of you and explain under the bankruptcy laws how a union can represent a group of non-union employees when they are not their certified bargaining unit nor do they have a CBA?

Let me give you a hint, they cant.

 
 
 

700UW said:
Ah the master of copy and paste strikes again, lol.
 
 
Josh
 
Chip,
 
Still waiting. If it's not McCaskill Bond then it isn't binding and is subject to legal challenge RIGHT. Can you spell
Complaint for Injunctive Relief filed by the Mighty Army of the East (MAOE) when the APA boys decide the list.
Most of us will be gone when the first trial is held and then there are the appeals!!!
 
P.S.  The retirements don't really slow down for what ...like never?
 
Where do I buy a tie?
 
NICDOA
NPJB
 
electricjet98 said:
Why do you think the APA pilots will be any less fair to USAPA pilots then east pilots have been fair to west pilots?
The West does not want fair,either does the APA.
 
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