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Of course it is, both of these unions will continue with the harvesting of dues while the membership gets nothing.Vortilon said:
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charlie Brown
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Couple questions for yaVortilon said:
1. How would you suggest voting the association down and staying your current union status if your only voting options are " association " or " no representation " or other. And if you voted IAM or TWU in the other spot, that will be a vote for the association since both of them have agreed. You wont have a choice of staying with your own union.
2. You do realize that the 50% rule now only applies to the ones voting, not the whole membership? In other words, even though there are approximately 16,000 total to be able to vote. If only 10 vote out of that 16 thousand, and 6 out of 10 vote for no representation, then it's no representation. This is how I understand it to be.
Kev3188
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10 voters? C'mon CB.
That sort of fear mongering is usually the domain of mgmt.
That sort of fear mongering is usually the domain of mgmt.
charlie Brown
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KevKev3188 said:
Sorry, was just trying to keep it simple to understand the issue. Wasn't trying a scare tactic. Many people still think that 50% of total membership must vote a certain way. It's only the ones that vote now regardless of how many that would be. I could be wrong, but I believe that's how it goes.
charlie Brown
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If people choose not to vote because they don't want to vote for the association, then it could be easier than some think to lose representation. You can call that a scare tactic if you want, but I for one, don't want to be without representation.
Kev3188
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That's correct. Only actual votes cast count...charlie Brown said:
ograc
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Vortilon said:
Not sure your statement "If you vote the association down, you just continue on with your current union" is correct or accurate. Has the NMB confirmed this? Or is this just your opinion? What are your sources if this is indeed factual information? Inaccurate information is as misleading and devious as scare tactics. Sooo... what you're saying is I can choose not to vote for representation by "the association", choose not to vote for "no representation" and somehow be able to keep my current union even though neither the IAM or the TWU appear on the ballot. Sorry; but I'm going to need a more authoritative explanation on this one.
Tim Nelson
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Thats a good point but why have an election thru the AAA when one is just around the corner with the nmb?john john said:
Plus, we got to get our housekeeping matters straight first between the two unions.
Unions do not need to go thru the nmb with an official nmb election to be certified. Your group had an internal voteof support then got the airline to voluntarily recognize it, then the nmb certified it. At AE, the twu was certified without any vote at all. AE was part of a package deal where the TWU agreed to bring B scale into this industry, in return for the company automatically forcing twu membership on eagle employees without a vote.
Tim Nelson
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all part of the voluntary recognition of around 84' or so. That agreement "Dues payers for B scale" made AE employees at various stations, union members.
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john john said:
Before the change to Envoy, the AA regional airline name was American Eagle Airlines (AEA). The ground employees that worked directly for AEA (and Executive Airlines), mostly in the large cities, were organized and became TWU. The other airlines that flew under the American Eagle banner or were American Connection had third party workers and therefore not part of the organizing drive.
Tim Nelson
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But there was never a vote. Automatic recognition.
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