2014 Fleet Service Discussion

[TRAVIS]

WHAT 700 DID NOT ADD TO HIS POST IS THE TWU WAS A NO SHOW THATS WHY THEY HAD NO NAMES TO LIST!
(The TWU will separately name members from TWU to the joint negotiating committee. We look forward to joining forces.)
 
ALL'S GOOD, THE WATERS FINE.    SO SAY THE IAM!!!!!!          

 

[cltrat]

well the part about them no showing is true, apparently they are a little pissy about wanting to honor contracts they sign.
I wonder if I went and told my bank that there were a few things on my mortgage I signed and I wanted to change them and I wouldn't be paying till we did. How do you suppose that would go?

 

[WeAAsles]

well the part about them no showing is true, apparently they are a little pissy about wanting to honor contracts they sign.
I wonder if I went and told my bank that there were a few things on my mortgage I signed and I wanted to change them and I wouldn't be paying till we did. How do you suppose that would go?

Issues are not always as simple as they appear on the surface but everything will come out in due time and course.

 

[Vortilon]

well the part about them no showing is true, apparently they are a little pissy about wanting to honor contracts they sign.
I wonder if I went and told my bank that there were a few things on my mortgage I signed and I wanted to change them and I wouldn't be paying till we did. How do you suppose that would go?

Either way, the expectation was that a vote by the dues paying members - would decide if the JCBA was what the majority wanted.
As it is right now, I can't say I know even one person that is for this JCBA.
Let the members vote, then - proceed from there.

 

[charlie Brown]

Either way, the expectation was that a vote by the dues paying members - would decide if the JCBA was what the majority wanted.
As it is right now, I can't say I know even one person that is for this JCBA.
Let the members vote, then - proceed from there.

Huh??
What do you mean by a jcba? Joint collective bargaining agreement? I think you mean the association? Not a JCBA. The membership will vote for any JCBA.

 

[ograc]

Correct me if I'm wrong; but the elected leadership, particularly the Presidents of both unions, signed off on the terms of agreement to form the "Association" as the bargaining representative of the combined Fleet Service group as a result of the merger of AA and US. It was my understanding... that the President of the AFL-CIO endorsed this agreement in the best interests' of the respective labor groups represented by both unions. If the leadership of both the IAM and TWU cannot come to a united and solidified front; it will be challenging, to say the least, to unite the membership. We need to get these "in house" issues cleared up before entering into JCBA negotiations. A house divided will ultimately fail.  

 

[charlie Brown]

Correct me if I'm wrong; but the elected leadership, particularly the Presidents of both unions, signed off on the terms of agreement to form the "Association" as the bargaining representative of the combined Fleet Service group as a result of the merger of AA and US. It was my understanding... that the President of the AFL-CIO endorsed this agreement in the best interests' of the respective labor groups represented by both unions. If the leadership of both the IAM and TWU cannot come to a united and solidified front; it will be challenging, to say the least, to unite the membership. We need to get these "in house" issues cleared up before entering into JCBA negotiations. A house divided will ultimately fail.

I agree completely

 

[charlie Brown]

For all those that want to read the association agreement as well as the constitution for the association, you can find it on the district web site and click on the us airways link then scroll down to the links to fleet service association agreement.
Www.iam141.org

 

[AANOTOK]

The members should have the ability to vote on any Association...

 

[Vortilon]

Huh??
What do you mean by a jcba? Joint collective bargaining agreement? I think you mean the association? Not a JCBA. The membership will vote for any JCBA.

Agreement?  try "association".  As in "joint collective bargaining association". Savvy?

 

[cltrat]

that's not the correct term for it savvy?

 

[charlie Brown]

Agreement?  try "association".  As in "joint collective bargaining association". Savvy?

Just trying to clarify for the members reading this site. A JCBA will be voted on by the membership. It's known as the joint collective bargaining agreement that the joint negotiating team will negotiate and in time be voted on by all members. The " association " is known as the " association " not sure at this time if the membership will vote or not. I was told we would, but IMO that could change. Just didn't want the membership to be confused by your previous post about a JCBA.

 

[AANOTOK]

Just trying to clarify for the members reading this site. A JCBA will be voted on by the membership. It's known as the joint collective bargaining agreement that the joint negotiating team will negotiate and in time be voted on by all members. The " association " is known as the " association " not sure at this time if the membership will vote or not. I was told we would, but IMO that could change. Just didn't want the membership to be confused by your previous post about a JCBA.

...and having been told you will have the opportunity to vote on the Association, are you comfortable or ok with that changing and not being able to vote...just curious.

 

[charlie Brown]

...and having been told you will have the opportunity to vote on the Association, are you comfortable or ok with that changing and not being able to vote...just curious.

I am always for the membership deciding!! I hope everyone gets to vote and have a say. I just hope everyone educates theirselves and votes wisely.

 

[TRAVIS]

Agreement?  try "association".  As in "joint collective bargaining association". Savvy?

I THINK BOB SAID IT BEST IN A MX POST (#2240) ON THE AA SIDE.
 
The reality is that your "Union" would be split between two collective bargaining agents that outsourced control of your contract to an Association. 
 
Remember the saying "You are the Union". The TWU, IAM, IBT, CWA, AMFA etc are commonly called Unions but in reality they are all Collective Bargaining Agents who represent Unions of workers.
 
Our "Union" is the group of coworkers that work under a common contract at a common employer.  Yes there are two unions for mechanics at AA, but there are also two unions of mechanics at UAL, the difference is at AA the two Unions have two different Collective Bargaining agents and at UAL both  Unions have the same Collective bargaining agent. We have a union of AA mechanics who work under a Collective Bargaining Agreement administered by the TWU and PMUS has a Collective bargaining agreement administered by the IAM, at UAL the PMUAL guys have a CBAgreement administered by the IBT and the PMCAL guys have a CBAgreement also administered by the IBT. 
 
The objective for mechanics is to have a single Union of mechanics under a single agreement, at the new AA. Other classifications have the same objectives, the pilots and flight attendants are already there. In both those cases the Collective Bargaining Agent with the smaller number of members at the company backed out, it was the right thing to do. Currently for mechanics at the New AA there are two contracts administered by two different collective bargaining agents. One is the IAM and the other is the TWU, both have current agreements that become amendable in 2018. There is no requirement to amend either of those agreements prior to 2018. Both of those Collective bargaining agents want to keep their commissions, otherwise known as dues, coming in so they struck a deal between themselves to serve their interests. There is zero advantage  for the members to having two Collective bargaining agents represent us, especially under the terms they came up with without any input from any member. This applies to all TWU except Dispatch, sim tech and Flight training. 
 
The Association agreement strips the membership of as much authority as allowed by law and basically outsources administration of our contract to a newly created entity called the Association. If this were an organizing attempt of non-union workers they would not dream of having such language because they would never get anyone to vote in such a Collective bargaining agent. 
 
This Association agreement, conjured up by Jim Little and Buffenbarger not only removes any ability by the members to have input but also removes liability from the two organizations as far as membership lawsuits for DFR violations. In other words the Association can screw the crap out of us, the TWU and IAM get our dues but the Association has no Assets for the members to go after in a DFR. The Association becomes our Collective Bargaining agent but our dues go to the TWU and IAM!!!
 
There is nothing good for the membership in this Association.
 
SAVVY....?