2014 Fleet Service Discussion

[Tim Nelson]

Oh and BTW let me get this out there. I very highly doubt that that letter was supposed to go out for public consumption but that fool President on the TWU maintenance side Local 591 Bob Peterson put it up on his website. This guy is the guy who is trying to get the NMB to go against the association and says that the TWU should be the only Union on the ballot.
He has motivations that this letter fits in very nicely with and I'm sure is giggling his asss off if this issue causes any problems that he can use to his advantage.

the iam is not happy about this letter that blind sided it. The twu needs to stop whining and get back in line for the sake of solidarity. Otherwise, maybe we should just have one union if we gotta put up with all this hmmm hawing.

 

[WeAAsles]

the iam is not happy about this letter that blind sided it. The twu needs to stop whining and get back in line for the sake of solidarity. Otherwise, maybe we should just have one union if we gotta put up with all this hmmm hawing.

I'll admit that I wouldn't be happy either but again it wasn't meant to be something to blindside anyone had a certain local President adhered to something called decorum.

Now it might just all boil down to if people on both sides are able to keep their emotions in check?

A person's emotions are usually his undoing. They make him lurch forward and the smart guy uses that momentum as a tool to his advantage by sidestepping and letting the guy fall on his face.

I also really doubt that you have anyone in authority that talks to you that would tell you anything about what the reaction is at the top? Who the heck would talk to you?

 

[WeAAsles]

huh? Get me da cards and ill make sure the iam gets 1,000 signed here. And im sure ur boy stassi could get hundreds in mia against your opinion.Let the twu focus on nyc bus drivers.

LMAO. Look out everyone Tim is about to tout up his resume again. His retirement is dried up and the child support payments are killing him.

Go rob a bank if you need money so bad man.

 

[Tim Nelson]

LMAO. Look out everyone Tim is about to tout up his resume again. His retirement is dried up and the child support payments are killing him.
Go rob a bank if you need money so bad man.

Lol.
to be clear, i think the iam leaders arent the brightest bulbs and i dont ask for anything, unlike you. I run for elections and put slates together by engaging democracy. And im pretty proud of that and few have been more successful at that. Im also quite excited to get a rerun election at the iam. Ive argued two cases already. Won one, lost one. But this new case is the strongest and im quite sure it will trigger a fair election.

So, dont confuse yourself that i would b kissing any ass to get cards signed. Ive said from the biginning that i support the association because of seniority resolutions. If the twu is going to play games, then i say kick them out into the nyc subways where it belongs. If the twu learns and gets in line, then fine. But their anti union boycott of negotiations training is only serving the interest of management.

You, above all, have claimed to want your fallen brethern back on the job, so stop being a pollyanna, free your little brain, and demand that the twu stop its barbie tantrum and suck it up for the sake of the membership. K?

 

[NYer]

I'll admit guys that I'm friends with the TWU President of BOS. He's a good man and honest as the day is long. He loves and cares for his members like a Lion caring for his cubs. He even came up and joined the IAM guys when they were picketing the company for a fair shake. This was even after some rotten apples were laughing at him because he was going to lose his Union. Real classy huh? Well now he's made some good relations on your side and even some of your guys realize that this kid is alright.

GIVE HIM HIS NUMBERS!!!!!

I told him after you see the count if it's in the IAM favor, that's it. You move on and become the best sportsman a man can be. If it's in his favor then give the man back his station. He's a 3 term President and earned his members loyalty.

And if it winds up being dead even then you flip a coin and the coin calls it. Both sides shake hands and move forward.

Let me ask you guys who read on this page who are in leadership positions. If you were him wouldn't you want a fair shake as well???? 

 
A fair shake but not to the extent that negotiations preparations are halted to resolve something that has a built in mechanism to do such a thing.
 
If it's a matter of fairness, then the arbitration process could be used at the same time there are other issues being addressed that covers all the Members of the IAM and TWU.

 

[NYer]

I'm fairly certain that the IAM couldn't get the 50%+1, but I dont know fleet's numbers on both sides. On the Mx side though, I'm certain they wouldn't get enough.

 
Don't be so sure. There are life long TWU Members that are on a crusade to demolish the TWU. Just about everything they do comes to a controversy. Currently, the TWU has many former IAM Members that remember the "hey days" and would vote with that sentimentality.
 
That being said, a representational fight at this moment would be harmful to everyone regardless of who actually wins. It seems the airline is in a mode where they're willing to do industry leading wages but it seems that feeling will only last until they receive the Single Operators Certificate.
 
These schoolyard tactics employed by the TWU is just counterproductive and is certainly politically driven.

 

[NYer]

most of twu ord despises the twu. I know. I work right with them and ride the bus with them. If the twu wants to keep playing games for the sake of an individual who wants to stay as a local prez then i think sito should drop thehammer and just move the small and broke twu to the side. Then the twu can focus on its subway operators in nyc.

 
Yeah. A representational fight is just the right remedy to fix things, even though is pushes everything back even further.
 
This will probably be handled in one of two ways, the IAM simply tells the TWU (publicly) that they're more than happy to work out differences and sets up meetings that could lead to an arbitration if they can't agree but at the same time the planned negotiation prep should continue. That would probably be the most effective way to handle it.
 
OR
 
The IAM publicly states they will continue to prepare for negotiations and feels disappointed the TWU chooses not to participate.
 
Either way, it creates and atmosphere where the TWU will receive significant internal pressure to move on with negotiations prep...

 

[WeAAsles]

 
A fair shake but not to the extent that negotiations preparations are halted to resolve something that has a built in mechanism to do such a thing.
 
If it's a matter of fairness, then the arbitration process could be used at the same time there are other issues being addressed that covers all the Members of the IAM and TWU.

I agree and at the same time the TWU could have released that letter publicly if their phone calls weren't being returned (If pressure was needed for some reason) and made themselves shine in a better light to continue with negotiation preparations.

Hopefully this doesn't need to go before an arbitrator though and cooler heads prevail to seek an honest solution to the issues? 

 

[WeAAsles]

 
Yeah. A representational fight is just the right remedy to fix things, even though is pushes everything back even further.
 
This will probably be handled in one of two ways, the IAM simply tells the TWU (publicly) that they're more than happy to work out differences and sets up meetings that could lead to an arbitration if they can't agree but at the same time the planned negotiation prep should continue. That would probably be the most effective way to handle it.

A preferred civil approach.
 
OR
 
The IAM publicly states they will continue to prepare for negotiations and feels disappointed the TWU chooses not to participate.

Still leaving 3 possibly minor issues unresolved and maybe creating unnecessary animosity?
 
Either way, it creates and atmosphere where the TWU will receive significant internal pressure to move on with negotiations prep...

 

[WeAAsles]

 
Don't be so sure. There are life long TWU Members that are on a crusade to demolish the TWU. Just about everything they do comes to a controversy. Currently, the TWU has many former IAM Members that remember the "hey days" and would vote with that sentimentality.
 
That being said, a representational fight at this moment would be harmful to everyone regardless of who actually wins. It seems the airline is in a mode where they're willing to do industry leading wages but it seems that feeling will only last until they receive the Single Operators Certificate.

Absolutely.
 
These schoolyard tactics employed by the TWU is just counterproductive and is certainly politically driven.

 

[WeAAsles]

Lol.
to be clear, i think the iam leaders arent the brightest bulbs and i dont ask for anything, unlike you. I run for elections and put slates together by engaging democracy. And im pretty proud of that and few have been more successful at that. Im also quite excited to get a rerun election at the iam. Ive argued two cases already. Won one, lost one. But this new case is the strongest and im quite sure it will trigger a fair election.

So, dont confuse yourself that i would b kissing any ass to get cards signed. Ive said from the biginning that i support the association because of seniority resolutions. If the twu is going to play games, then i say kick them out into the nyc subways where it belongs. If the twu learns and gets in line, then fine. But their anti union boycott of negotiations training is only serving the interest of management.

You, above all, have claimed to want your fallen brethern back on the job, so stop being a pollyanna, free your little brain, and demand that the twu stop its barbie tantrum and suck it up for the sake of the membership. K?

Alright let's take this in a different direction. Weren't the TWU nothing but patient and supportive while we waited for you guys to get your own independent contract? I seem to remember letters of support and encouragement from our leaders that the company had to conclude those talks with the IAM before we would agree to move forward as well. We even had members join some of your picket lines to assist you in getting that contract.

I 100% believe these will turn out to be a minor issues, cool heads will prevail and we'll move forward quickly. 

 

[charlie Brown]

Yeah. A representational fight is just the right remedy to fix things, even though is pushes everything back even further.
 
This will probably be handled in one of two ways, the IAM simply tells the TWU (publicly) that they're more than happy to work out differences and sets up meetings that could lead to an arbitration if they can't agree but at the same time the planned negotiation prep should continue. That would probably be the most effective way to handle it.
 
OR
 
The IAM publicly states they will continue to prepare for negotiations and feels disappointed the TWU chooses not to participate.
 
Either way, it creates and atmosphere where the TWU will receive significant internal pressure to move on with negotiations prep...

I would agree with the second scenario more than the first about arbitration. Remember both sides have already signed off on this deal. The IAM if pretty happy. Their members have a pretty good agreement now that gives the job security and decent pay. They don't have to go to arbitration. I think soon the members of the TWU will pressure them to get going with talks since AA is stuck in a bankrupt contract.

 

[WeAAsles]

I would agree with the second scenario more than the first about arbitration. Remember both sides have already signed off on this deal. The IAM if pretty happy. Their members have a pretty good agreement now that gives the job security and decent pay. They don't have to go to arbitration. I think soon the members of the TWU will pressure them to get going with talks since AA is stuck in a bankrupt contract.

CB I'm honestly not enjoying seeing this side of you. You have an issue and I'm going to see how I can help you? That's what brothers do.

And BTW except for SCOPE you guys essentially mirrored our contract so it looks like we're BOTH stuck in a BK contract still.

And yes I do want to get out of that ASAP.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Yeah. A representational fight is just the right remedy to fix things, even though is pushes everything back even further.
 
This will probably be handled in one of two ways, the IAM simply tells the TWU (publicly) that they're more than happy to work out differences and sets up meetings that could lead to an arbitration if they can't agree but at the same time the planned negotiation prep should continue. That would probably be the most effective way to handle it.
 
OR
 
The IAM publicly states they will continue to prepare for negotiations and feels disappointed the TWU chooses not to participate.
 
Either way, it creates and atmosphere where the TWU will receive significant internal pressure to move on with negotiations prep...

Hopefully things resolve. The built in process is suppose to be the agreed upon resolution, ie, arbitration. As that process continues, both unions should b able to further negotiations for a joint contract instead of blowing off meetings.

 

[charlie Brown]

CB I'm honestly not enjoying seeing this side of you. You have an issue and I'm going to see how I can help you? That's what brothers do.
And BTW except for SCOPE you guys essentially mirrored our contract so it looks like we're BOTH stuck in a BK contract still.
And yes I do want to get out of that ASAP.

WeAAsles
Anybody that knows me knows that I'm going to give you my opinion on things. I have no problem with anyone on here that does the same. And I can't help it if you don't like my opinion. I'm just giving you my 02 cents on what I think the IAM will do. You should have no problem with that. But if you do! So be it. And if you want to try and help me? Ok? Many people have tried to so call help me lol, hasn't helped much. And scope was by far the memberships biggest issue, and I think that's what I said in my previous post about the job security and decent pay. To me, our scope with no drop dead date on it, makes it far superior to the AA agreement.