2014 Fleet Service Discussion

[charlie Brown]

I talked to a Wilson employee and US isn't send fleet over at all on the last four charters.

Ok thanks 700. I'll check to see if anyone was paid. If they weren't, we will get it done. Thanks

 

[WeAAsles]

I here ya. Like I said. I'm sure he's a great union leader, and I feel for him. But just don't think it's the IAM,s issue for something his own union did to him. If the IAM agrees to open up Bos, then won't that give any other city that was close either way whether it went IAM or TWU a right to the same argument!! Just saying IMO You would be opening a can of worms by allowing this to be reopened. There are people on both sides that aren't really happy going to the TWU. I'm sure there are other cities not happy about going IAM. But it's done! It's signed! Let's move on and get to negotiating for our members!

No CB it would not because I believe his numbers were the only ones not counted correctly and the only ones where it is just that close? It's a razor line decider. And if there really are more issues like this which I doubt they deserves the fair shake too before this ball really gets rolling.

BOTH SIDES.

 

[WeAAsles]

I here ya. Like I said. I'm sure he's a great union leader, and I feel for him. But just don't think it's the IAM,s issue for something his own union did to him. If the IAM agrees to open up Bos, then won't that give any other city that was close either way whether it went IAM or TWU a right to the same argument!! Just saying IMO You would be opening a can of worms by allowing this to be reopened. There are people on both sides that aren't really happy going to the TWU. I'm sure there are other cities not happy about going IAM. But it's done! It's signed! Let's move on and get to negotiating for our members!

Besides brother it may not have even been the Unions who did this to him. It sounds like it was the station manager or managers who fudged the numbers? They're the ones we get those numbers from right?

 

[WeAAsles]

the snapshot would prolly suggest another station going twu since usairways has done significant hiring, but i havent heard of any LAA hiring. Maybe thats the issue and the past snapshot is now uneven. I imagine, along the way, it will b tweaked to mirror things.

Coming back to this one. Tim you're forgetting that we've hired about 200 people here in MIA. And I think they're anticipating hiring even more?

 

[charlie Brown]

Besides brother it may not have even been the Unions who did this to him. It sounds like it was the station manager or managers who fudged the numbers? They're the ones we get those numbers from right?

I wasn't involved with it to know where they got the numbers. I know I sound like I don't give a crap, but listen. If your the President of a local, you have two counter parts that you don't really trust doing this agreement with the IAM. And you know your station is close on the numbers. Why are you not going to do everything you can to make sure and demand that your numbers are correct. Now if you say he did, and they still screwed him anyway, then I myself wouldn't be fighting so hard to stay part of that. I just think someone dropped the ball, and should have done more back when the agreement was done. At any rate! Maybe they will do something and come to an agreement. I just don't think we should hold up things for everyone because of one station is not happy. Like I said. There are several stations not happy. If you say a difference of one deserves a recount of the heads on the ground. Then why not a difference of two? Or five? Or ten?

 

[WeAAsles]

I wasn't involved with it to know where they got the numbers. I know I sound like I don't give a crap, but listen. If your the President of a local, you have two counter parts that you don't really trust doing this agreement with the IAM. And you know your station is close on the numbers. Why are you not going to do everything you can to make sure and demand that your numbers are correct. Now if you say he did, and they still screwed him anyway, then I myself wouldn't be fighting so hard to stay part of that. I just think someone dropped the ball, and should have done more back when the agreement was done. At any rate! Maybe they will do something and come to an agreement. I just don't think we should hold up things for everyone because of one station is not happy. Like I said. There are several stations not happy. If you say a difference of one deserves a recount of the heads on the ground. Then why not a difference of two? Or five? Or ten?

Why not CB? How long do you think it would take? One phone call to the company for the numbers and an email or fax? What are we talking about here. Maybe a solid week at max to make sure everything is on the up and up and was done correctly?

Our Unions, both of them are NOT about the leaders who are in place at the moment. It's about the history CB. BOS is one of the oldest Locals in the TWU. Long before even our parents were a thought in this world. Maybe too many don't consider that type of history to be important, but I do.

I've posted items regarding Union history before on here and chose to be a student of that history. Ignoring that history is arrogant and shameful.

Yes I think the people who negotiated this agreement did not take that into account and that's just a bit of a problem to me and maybe why Unions are doing so terrible today? We forgot about the things we're supposed to be fighting for. It's not just about the money.

 

[WeAAsles]

HISTORY


The TWU was formed in 1934 during the depths of the Great Depression when New York City’s transit companies were abusing the nation’s dire situation. Taking advantage of the country’s 25 percent unemployment rate and subsequent surplus of job applicants companies hired and fired at will, and underpaid, overworked and mistreated their employees. Transit companies were all powerful, managers were brutal and working conditions were dangerous and abusive. For the first two decades of the 20th Century company hired goons crushed workers’ attempts at unionization, including four major strikes held between 1905 and 1919.
 
The largely Republican, Irish-born transit workforce reached its threshold just as an ideal leader emerged, Michael J. Quill. Quill’s audacious approach at unionization led to the formation of the desperately needed Transport Workers Union. TWU’s pioneers coined the motto, “United-Invincible,” and strongly believed that an organized, united front was the only way to win fair working conditions for themselves and for their members. They also fought for equality in the workplace, and spoke out against discrimination based on race, job title and ethnicity.

http://www.twu.org/OurUnion/OurHistory.aspx

 

[WeAAsles]

HISTORY

Thomas Talbot, a machinist in one of Atlanta's railway yards, gathered 18 of his fellow machinists together in May 1888. Believing that machinists needed a union to cope with problems particular to their craft, they formed the Order of United Machinists and Mechanical Engineers. The Order remained secret for several years since it was formed during a time when employers were often hostile to organized labor. Despite the Order being secret it spread beyond Georgia, partially thanks to the "boomers." (Boomers were men who traveled the railway lines for work wherever they went. They would establish locals in these areas if there was not one already present.) Within one year, there were 40 lodges; by 1891, there were 189.

http://research.library.gsu.edu/IAMAWCollections

 

[charlie Brown]

Why not CB? How long do you think it would take? One phone call to the company for the numbers and an email or fax? What are we talking about here. Maybe a solid week at max to make sure everything is on the up and up and was done correctly?
Our Unions, both of them are NOT about the leaders who are in place at the moment. It's about the history CB. BOS is one of the oldest Locals in the TWU. Long before even our parents were a thought in this world. Maybe too many don't consider that type of history to be important, but I do.
I've posted items regarding Union history before on here and chose to be a student of that history. Ignoring that history is arrogant and shameful.
Yes I think the people who negotiated this agreement did not take that into account and that's just a bit of a problem to me and maybe why Unions are doing so terrible today? We forgot about the things we're supposed to be fighting for. It's not just about the money.

Maybe your referring to your TWU guys didn't take things into account. I know the IAM guys did. I'm all for not forgetting where we came from. Part of that is keeping your word when you sign an agreement as an organization. Like I said, maybe they will get it worked out for the betterment of all. Good talking to ya WeAAsles. It's late. Talk to ya later.

 

[WeAAsles]

Maybe your referring to your TWU guys didn't take things into account. I know the IAM guys did. I'm all for not forgetting where we came from. Part of that is keeping your word when you sign an agreement as an organization. Like I said, maybe they will get it worked out for the betterment of all. Good talking to ya WeAAsles. It's late. Talk to ya later.

Always great talking to you too CB and for the sake of getting the alliance off to a good start I hope they do, I really hope they do?

 

[blue collar]

I know you guys are really into the alliance idea, but this just seems like foreshadowing the problems yet to come. If the TWU has BOS by 1, then it should be a TWU city.

 

[JFK Fleet Service]

I know you guys are really into the alliance idea, but this just seems like foreshadowing the problems yet to come. If the TWU has BOS by 1, then it should be a TWU city.

 
4. Q: If a current TWU station within a one station set is being reassigned to the IAM how does that impact the one-station agreement?
 
     A: This will need to be worked out while negotiating a single contract that covers the employees of the merged company.
 
EWR is part of the NY One-Station yet it ends up on the IAM side of the fence when the Q&A also says employees with recall rights or on layoff aren't in headcount on the snapshot date.
 
Still haven't talked to anyone at AA in favor of this dues harvesting CO-OP they set up with no membership input.

 

[Tim Nelson]

I here ya. Like I said. I'm sure he's a great union leader, and I feel for him. But just don't think it's the IAM,s issue for something his own union did to him. If the IAM agrees to open up Bos, then won't that give any other city that was close either way whether it went IAM or TWU a right to the same argument!! Just saying IMO You would be opening a can of worms by allowing this to be reopened. There are people on both sides that aren't really happy going to the TWU. I'm sure there are other cities not happy about going IAM. But it's done! It's signed! Let's move on and get to negotiating for our members!

+1

For the love of God, yes, lets move on. Sounds like an internal political thing with the twu. Lets get to wimpy and bring the nc together. Cant the fussing be resolved at the same time the negotiations process is moving forward?
The twu isnt going to toss a monkey wrench in negotiations if this local president and his station isnt renegotiated out of a signed document are they? I hope sito keeps all iam stations, iam stations and doesnt give an inch. Its in the agreement and its non negotiable.

 

[blue collar]

+1

For the love of God, yes, lets move on. Sounds like an internal political thing with the twu. Lets get to wimpy and bring the nc together. Cant the fussing be resolved at the same time the negotiations process is moving forward?
The twu isnt going to toss a monkey wrench in negotiations if this local president and his station isnt renegotiated out of a signed document are they? I hope sito keeps all iam stations, iam stations and doesnt give an inch. Its in the agreement and its non negotiable.

you never know how the TWU will react. But thing is apparent, the infighting for dues is just beginning

 

[Tim Nelson]

you never know how the TWU will react. But thing is apparent, the infighting for dues is just beginning

seems as if some local president is having a Barbie Tantrum and wants to be selfish and have negotiations held hostage. Disappointing indeed. Should just raid and make it all iam if we gotta put up with all this fussing. My gosh. We need a joint contract, can we please stop the strawman argument and quit fussing about a count that was off by one. Nit picking and sabotaging the negotiation process is anti union. Is that how the twu is?

Raid them and then they wont have one station. How is that?