2014 Fleet Service Discussion

[737823]

It takes two parties to reach an agreement.
And no union would agree to a 46% cut in the workforce.
Funny I don't see you criticizing amfa for not agreeing to that either.
And we gave the comany a full and complete offer that met the ask but not with the pension termination. They rejected it as they said "we don't want to manage people and it kept too many people on the payroll."
So once again don't let the facts get in you way.

So by giving them an agreement that protected head count you gave away more in concessions to protect that headcount and ultimately lost because as you said the company didn't want to manage headcount. Why did the CWA come out so much better than the IAM? I'm no fan of the CWA but they protected far more scope and have wages and benefits more in line with other carriers, just ask john john.

Josh

 

[robbedagain]

Josh, if it werent for 700 i highly doubt i wld of gotten where im at w regards to my grievance he got the ball rollin for me id put trust in him when it comes to unions even if he was a stock a mechanic or fleet etc he has helped many a folks

 

[737823]

Robbed your grievance is from 2009 and 700 left in 2005 how was he involved?

Josh

 

[WeAAsles]

Robbed your grievance is from 2009 and 700 left in 2005 how was he involved?
Josh

Union people converse and assist each other. Doesn't matter which union you belong to or even if you no longer belong to one. It gets in your blood and is an ideology.

Something I suspect you either can't or refuse to understand.

 

[700UW]

Thanks robbed.

And dooshie yes I left in 2005 but funny that's IAM asked me to work on the raid last year so I did. So I was back with them last summer.

And as We stated current and former union people to be when asks and I have many contacts and yes I made some calls for robbed and helped him.l

 

[Tim Nelson]

we could only wish that someone that has gone through 2 bankruptcies would better understand the process and not use self interest terminology such as "agreeing" with management. I certainly understand your agenda by going on different forums and wailing against whatever union is dominant, but to try and make such a statement is really eye opening considering you can't make the case without yourself exposing the very rhetoric you're not too good at disguising. Nice try.

Ur bankruptcy strwaman arguments hold no weight since usairways and delta been thru bankruptcies. Can you explain to me what is the difference between ready reserve at delta and vendors that you agreed should replace dozens of stations that tossed away thousands of union jobs, in return for a better pay increase. The members wanna know.

 

[737823]

Thanks robbed.

And dooshie yes I left in 2005 but funny that's IAM asked me to work on the raid last year so I did. So I was back with them last summer.

And as We stated current and former union people to be when asks and I have many contacts and yes I made some calls for robbed and helped him.l

Made a few calls? Wow.

So explain this why did his grievance drag on from 2009-2013, is that the kind of "representation" the IAM delivers? Pretty pathetic any way you look at it.

You said you would be back for the alliance when will you be at MIA & BOS?

Josh

 

[JFK Fleet Service]

'Scuse me Reverend, let he amongst you who is without sin cast the first stone...
 
I seem to remember a metric sh!t ton of wailing on this very board when your class II stations went under the bus to save catering jobs in PHL in bankruptcy 1 or bankruptcy 2.
 
 
Both groups had their balls in a vise in the bankruptcies,to say otherwise is BS and you know that.

 

[737823]

'Scuse me Reverend, let he amongst you who is without sin cast the first stone...
 
I seem to remember a metric sh!t ton of wailing on this very board when your class II stations went under the bus to save catering jobs in PHL in bankruptcy 1 or bankruptcy 2.
 
 
Both groups had their balls in a vise in the bankruptcies,to say otherwise is BS and you know that.

Exactly the small stations were sold out for Roabilly and his catering. 700 even posted that the jobs could have been absorbed on the ramp.

Josh

 

[737823]

Union people converse and assist each other. Doesn't matter which union you belong to or even if you no longer belong to one. It gets in your blood and is an ideology.

Something I suspect you either can't or refuse to understand.

Well yes I don't understand it. Kev believes people should turn down OT in respect to employees in furlough. That to me is crazy talk. People do what is best for themselves, period. You guys can come on here and say you are "trade unionists" and philanthropists but in the voting booth people vote for their interests.

Josh

 

[blue collar]

Well yes I don't understand it. Kev believes people should turn down OT in respect to employees in furlough. That to me is crazy talk. People do what is best for themselves, period. You guys can come on here and say you are "trade unionists" and philanthropists but in the voting booth people vote for their interests.

Josh

And Kev is right. It's just shows your true character that you can see your coworkers laid off while you soak up the work that they should still be there performing.

 

[737823]

So according to Kev not a single AA FSC throughout the system should take OT.

Josh

 

[ograc]

Well yes I don't understand it. Kev believes people should turn down OT in respect to employees in furlough. That to me is crazy talk. People do what is best for themselves, period. You guys can come on here and say you are "trade unionists" and philanthropists but in the voting booth people vote for their interests.

Josh

 
Vote for your own best interests. A me, me, me society. It is what is destroying unions and this country. Gone are the days when one sacrificed for the common good. What a disgrace to the generations before us (our ancestors) who sacrificed and many paid the ultimate sacrifice, to advance the virtues of the common good and unionism in this country. We are failing as union members. We are failing as US citizens. We are failing as moral human beings. Thankfully, there a few who continue to serve. A few who continue to believe in; and advance the virtues that we should all live by. The few, the proud...    
 

 

[robbedagain]

Josh 700 phone calls not only got my grievance going fwd but also for other members who are in a similar position just cuz he is not active at us dont mean he cant lend a helping hand ive always found it when u need a hand and have resort elsewhere than so be it and in my case 700 is the man of the hr who came thru and it happens he knows a helluva lot in regards to procedures Do i think its wrong of how its take so long? Yes but nonetheless i wld do it again if i had to w regards filing n waiting and so forth i dont give up nor give in

 

[ograc]

Josh 700 phone calls not only got my grievance going fwd but also for other members who are in a similar position just cuz he is not active at us dont mean he cant lend a helping hand ive always found it when u need a hand and have resort elsewhere than so be it and in my case 700 is the man of the hr who came thru and it happens he knows a helluva lot in regards to procedures Do i think its wrong of how its take so long? Yes but nonetheless i wld do it again if i had to w regards filing n waiting and so forth i dont give up nor give in

 
robbed,
the long overdue grievance I represented has also been settled with an agreed to settlement between the grievant, the union and the company. Substantial remedial action granted. Long overdue? Yes. Sometimes it takes absolute resolve. Grievant obtaining satisfactory remedial action? Priceless but yet taken for granted and never recognized by some.