2014 Fleet Service Discussion

[700UW]

Show me any CBA in the industry that has your new proposed scope language?
 
If you dont like it, vote no.
 
But use facts, not emotions.

 

[robbedagain]

700  I have to agree with you  I think M&R TA will be shot down  From what I have seen I think its just horrible. 

 

[Black Magic]

And a NO vote it will be from me.  This contract screws the PT"s even more..with your boy Obozo gas and grocery prices are at all time record highs and this payscale doesn't cut it.  Hell airline rampers were making $24 an hour back at the turn of the millennium when gas prices were $1.25 a gallon not $4 which we are a currently.  DP and gang are going to laugh all the way to the bank when fleet accepts this contract!  With all the airlines now merged up, unheard of record profits are to come.  This contract is a drop in the bucket and the IAM gave away all the leverage.

 

[john john]

And your TA is way better than M&R, I can see Fleet passing, MTS passing but I think M&R is going down in flames.

By design

 

[700UW]

By design

Would you care to back up your statement?
 
I know most of the M&R negotiating committee personally and you couldnt be more wrong.
 
So how is that TA letter going for the CWA?

 

[ograc]

Tim,
Those who have expressed concerns about rejecting this TA, and going in to prolonged negotiations with a company who has already lowered previous projected profits, are very forward thinking members. Anyone, who has been in this industry for as long as you or I, should know that the profitable years vs. years of loss is a roller coaster ride. Parker is already lowering projections of profit. Regaining the many sacrifices that have been made can only be accomplished one step at a time. This TA, as I see it, is a good first step. It puts us in a good position entering JCBA talks. It's a chess game. One move at a time. 

 

[IAM Member Here]

By design

How?  Fleet has always got the bad end of the deal.  While I am not at all impressed with this fleet ta since it accomplished nothing but pushed most of the items for future talks,  I don't know of any mechanic who is actually voting yes on theirs.  That's not true for fleet, I'd say over 60% here will vote for it although few are thrilled about the health care.

 

[ograc]

Is that something I missed in the writing Tim? If so then I'm absolutely glad to be corrected.

Maybe we can get some clarification. Is reduction from full time to part time, as a result of cross utilization, considered displacement?

 

[Tim Nelson]

Maybe we can get some clarification. Is reduction from full time to part time, as a result of cross utilization, considered displacement?

I appreciate WeAAsles question and your asking for clarification.  We absolutely do need a clarification from Charlie Brown.  The language says "no employee will be involuntary displaced from that location."  Not sure if that means displaced outside the station, or displaced....period.   At first glance, I believe this also means a full timer can't be displaced to part time and I still think that is the case, but this needs clarification for sure.  Charlie Brown has been on here daily clarifiying things so I'm sure he can clarify the following:
 
"Can a full timer be displaced involuntarily into part time at the same cross utilized station?" 

 

[john john]

How?

M&R vote down the TA and go back to the negotiation table and get improvements

 

[Jimmy Neutron]

And a NO vote it will be from me.  This contract screws the PT"s even more..with your boy Obozo gas and grocery prices are at all time record highs and this payscale doesn't cut it.  Hell airline rampers were making $24 an hour back at the turn of the millennium when gas prices were $1.25 a gallon not $4 which we are a currently.  DP and gang are going to laugh all the way to the bank when fleet accepts this contract!  With all the airlines now merged up, unheard of record profits are to come.  This contract is a drop in the bucket and the IAM gave away all the leverage.

I have to agree here with Black magic, as for the last 2 years, especially the last 6-8 months, all we've been hearing from our NC, is be patient, this is Section 6, this is the most leverage we will possibly ever have going forward !!!!!!!!! Then we were told there were 6 items that we would absolutely NOT budge on here PERIOD !!!! Be Patient, this is the process, it WILL BE WORTH IT !!!!!
 
All of that being said, we NEVER received our scheduled raises for the last 2 years, (printing error my A**) and now after all of the hype, what we get is only a fraction of what was taken off us over the last 15 years, only some of the 6 Items that they were supposed to not MOVE -ON !!!! No profit sharing, and the ultimate, is US having to settle for working the last 2 1/2 years with NO RAISE by giving away our RETRO money by sharing it with everyone by giving every FT-er $1500 🙁 You've got to be kidding me !!!! I can assure you, that a check for less then 2 weeks pay doesn't come close to making up for OUR sacrifices ((especially $$)) that each and every senior agent here has had to endure, all the while, all these CEO's and VP's  have reaped HUGE payments all along, and the agents here with less then 5 years now get the same, so in essence, WE now have to share our RETRO that we should have been paid with everyone ???????? Any signing bonus should and could have been done quickly, by LONGEVITY, example, agents with 30+ years getting say $3500 and stepping down $500 increments every 5 years down to $500 max for less than 5 years !!!! VERY SIMPLE and much more fair !!!! Truly sad, the way this company treats and feels about it's workers who made the ULTIMATE sacrifices !!!!!!!!!!! 
 
Don't get me wrong, I'm NOT saying it's all bad and I'm not throwing blame at any-one person, just the ENTIRE PROCESS, as SECTION 6 and the SO-CALLED leverage never ever materialized at all 🙁(((( It just goes to show you, that the little man in this world has been BULL-DOZED completely over by the government, the RICH and Powerful and sadly OUR UNION itself 🙁((
 
I have to say that I am voting NO, myself, but from what I'm hearing, most people are just completely worn out, and defeated to the point where people are so hungry for anything, they will crawl around feverishly on the ground fighting each other just to get those crumbs the company has literally thrown on the floor --- TRULY SAD !!!!

 

[freedom]

I have to agree here with Black magic, as for the last 2 years, especially the last 6-8 months, all we've been hearing from our NC, is be patient, this is Section 6, this is the most leverage we will possibly ever have going forward !!!!!!!!! Then we were told there were 6 items that we would absolutely NOT budge on here PERIOD !!!! Be Patient, this is the process, it WILL BE WORTH IT !!!!!
 
All of that being said, we NEVER received our scheduled raises for the last 2 years, (printing error my A**) and now after all of the hype, what we get is only a fraction of what was taken off us over the last 15 years, only some of the 6 Items that they were supposed to not MOVE -ON !!!! No profit sharing, and the ultimate, is US having to settle for working the last 2 1/2 years with NO RAISE by giving away our RETRO money by sharing it with everyone by giving every FT-er $1500 🙁 You've got to be kidding me !!!! I can assure you, that a check for less then 2 weeks pay doesn't come close to making up for OUR sacrifices ((especially $$)) that each and every senior agent here has had to endure, all the while, all these CEO's and VP's  have reaped HUGE payments all along, and the agents here with less then 5 years now get the same, so in essence, WE now have to share our RETRO that we should have been paid with everyone ???????? Any signing bonus should and could have been done quickly, by LONGEVITY, example, agents with 30+ years getting say $3500 and stepping down $500 increments every 5 years down to $500 max for less than 5 years !!!! VERY SIMPLE and much more fair !!!! Truly sad, the way this company treats and feels about it's workers who made the ULTIMATE sacrifices !!!!!!!!!!! 
 
Don't get me wrong, I'm NOT saying it's all bad and I'm not throwing blame at any-one person, just the ENTIRE PROCESS, as SECTION 6 and the SO-CALLED leverage never ever materialized at all 🙁(((( It just goes to show you, that the little man in this world has been BULL-DOZED completely over by the government, the RICH and Powerful and sadly OUR UNION itself 🙁((
 
I have to say that I am voting NO, myself, but from what I'm hearing, most people are just completely worn out, and defeated to the point where people are so hungry for anything, they will crawl around feverishly on the ground fighting each other just to get those crumbs the company has literally thrown on the floor --- TRULY SAD !!!!

Cry up a river and blame EVERYONE except the people who need to be blamed ...

Membership participation in rallies was PATHETIC ....

Did our MBR rise during these last few years ? Did the planes go out late ? The membership sat on their fat lazy asses watching TV in the break rooms waiting for the company to feed them ...

I'm voting yes because with this completely apathetic group this is the best we will ever get ....

 

[WeAAsles]

I have to agree here with Black magic, as for the last 2 years, especially the last 6-8 months, all we've been hearing from our NC, is be patient, this is Section 6, this is the most leverage we will possibly ever have going forward !!!!!!!!! Then we were told there were 6 items that we would absolutely NOT budge on here PERIOD !!!! Be Patient, this is the process, it WILL BE WORTH IT !!!!!
 
All of that being said, we NEVER received our scheduled raises for the last 2 years, (printing error my A**) and now after all of the hype, what we get is only a fraction of what was taken off us over the last 15 years, only some of the 6 Items that they were supposed to not MOVE -ON !!!! No profit sharing, and the ultimate, is US having to settle for working the last 2 1/2 years with NO RAISE by giving away our RETRO money by sharing it with everyone by giving every FT-er $1500 🙁 You've got to be kidding me !!!! I can assure you, that a check for less then 2 weeks pay doesn't come close to making up for OUR sacrifices ((especially $$)) that each and every senior agent here has had to endure, all the while, all these CEO's and VP's  have reaped HUGE payments all along, and the agents here with less then 5 years now get the same, so in essence, WE now have to share our RETRO that we should have been paid with everyone ???????? Any signing bonus should and could have been done quickly, by LONGEVITY, example, agents with 30+ years getting say $3500 and stepping down $500 increments every 5 years down to $500 max for less than 5 years !!!! VERY SIMPLE and much more fair !!!! Truly sad, the way this company treats and feels about it's workers who made the ULTIMATE sacrifices !!!!!!!!!!! 
 
Don't get me wrong, I'm NOT saying it's all bad and I'm not throwing blame at any-one person, just the ENTIRE PROCESS, as SECTION 6 and the SO-CALLED leverage never ever materialized at all 🙁(((( It just goes to show you, that the little man in this world has been BULL-DOZED completely over by the government, the RICH and Powerful and sadly OUR UNION itself 🙁((
 
I have to say that I am voting NO, myself, but from what I'm hearing, most people are just completely worn out, and defeated to the point where people are so hungry for anything, they will crawl around feverishly on the ground fighting each other just to get those crumbs the company has literally thrown on the floor --- TRULY SAD !!!!

Jimmy I highlighted two areas you wrote in RED because what I see is two things. One is jealousy and the other is emotion. Neither one of those things (as understandable as they are) pay your bills.  No money isn't everything. People seem to have to demand that respect. Personally I could care less if the company I work for respects me as long as they pay me! So let's talk pay.

Immediately upon ratification you're getting $320.00 more per month (Electric and cable bill) In September it's $400.00 per month (Electric, cable and phone bill) September 2015 comes out to around $560.00 per month or so (Electric, cable, phone and gas bill) End of contract 2017 (If no changes due to JCBA) 3 years from now by the way. Roughly $720.00 per month (Possible Mortgage or Rent payment)

So from what you wrote you're going to vote no for two reasons? #1 you're angry and #2 your jealous. Well #1 who's not angry? But your anger again doesn't pay those bills that won't stop coming and going up. And you're jealous because someone else is getting the same $1500.00 as you. I have 19 years seniority and I'd say SO WHAT. 

Now of course you have your right to your opinions and your vote but personally I think you have your priorities a little out of whack. So you can go ahead and say no and give the company your big middle finger (They won't care) and maybe you'll do much much better the second time (not gonna happen) and maybe it won't take too long to get the next offer? (Who knows) Or you can take a different road and begin to move forward?

Your choice of course. 

 

[WeAAsles]

I'll give you guys an individual perspective of how I'm looking at the future since eventually we will all be under one CBA. UAL in 2018 will be at $26.64 per hour. I think we can top that by at least .50 by then? So that will make it $27.00 in 2018 (Right now I'm at $22.50) I'm currently putting 20% into my 401 and the company matches 5.5% of that. So I'm putting in $12.000 per year right now. I'm currently not a Crew Chief (Lead) and our CC's get paid an extra $2.00 per hour on top of the base. So in 2018 I expect to be making $29.00 per hour (Because I'll be a CC by then) So also $30.00 per hour should be reasonable by decades end.

I'm currently 49 YO. By 2018 I want to be putting the equivalent of $10.00 per hour into my 401 ($20,000) not counting whatever the company will be matching by then? I want to retire at 62. So doing those calculations I just made will put $180,000 into my 401 for the last 9 years not counting the match and compounded market growth?

And no my equations don't factor in the unknown of inflation or wage increases in the next decade so adjustments can be made.

So just to expand on my last post though this is why I could give a damn if the company respects me or not because when I walk out the door in the end to go and hit golf balls in the tropics, I'll be the one who get's the last laugh.

This is my personal perspective of things.

 

[Harry Callahan]

I'm voting yes because with this completely apathetic group this is the best we will ever get ....

I'm shocked NOT rotflmao.
Harry