2014 Fleet Service Discussion

[WeAAsles]

is there a % cap on our health care that the company cant just raise our insurance each year? For instance at united its 9% now.

Have you ever read your CBA?

 

[PHXConx]

is there a % cap on our health care that the company cant just raise our insurance each year? For instance at united its 9% now.

thats not really an answer on how you would have done it... 
 
since you keep playing this percentage cap on our health care, what is the percentage of cap on the tax included on the health care?
 
 
oh wait there isnt any, we never negotiated it...so timmy you would agree the company could throw the cost of the excise tax onto us since its a tax and has nothing to do with our health care right?
 
and since we dont know how far our plans would go over the 10200 for individual plans and 27500 for family, we have no idea what that 40% tax would be do we? your alternative is not a good one timmy thats kissing our pay raise good bye 

 

[Tim Nelson]

Have you ever read your CBA?

u talking about the contract in 2008 that passed by almost 70% that everybody now loves to ***** about because the error of their ways?

My previous questions were rhetorical. The question remains, why did the negotiators punt on health care and at least establish a cap on increases as other labor contracts have done in this industry over the past year?

 

[PHXConx]

u talking about the contract in 2008 that passed by almost 70% that everybody now loves to #### about because the error of their ways?

My previous questions were rhetorical. The question remains, why did the negotiators punt on health care and at least establish a cap on increases as other labor contracts have done in this industry over the past year?

 
 
oh rhetorical...
 
so rhetorically what would you have done differently?

 

[Tim Nelson]

If you are a gambler...Tim Nelson is a Sucker bet....kind of like " The Juice ". We are all tired of him and his ranting.

the only gamble is hoping ole AH has a heart in joint talks.
Please chime in if any of the following is incorrect: our pension blows and was not addressed: all part time issues were blown off: we have no idea what our healthcare cost will be because your boys agreed with AH that there shouldnt be a cap on any increases. Again, please let me know if any of this is incorrect sir.

You guys love voting on contracts and having your climax orgasms over the initial money grab and then only then do you realize your contract sucks but you are stuck with it for years to come.

The contract sucks so bad that i didnt even mention the other inadequacies like no longevity no shift differ no overtime enhancement no holidays and half sick time. What exactly was negotiated other than a wage grab for long overdue wages?

 

[Tim Nelson]

oh rhetorical...
 
so rhetorically what would you have done differently?

everything.
I wouldnt have been able to sign this rag by coughing up cross utilization and agreeing to stand down on all issues.

 

[PHXConx]

everything.
I wouldnt have been able to sign this rag by coughing up cross utilization and agreeing to stand down on all issues.

thats a great answer 
 
 
can ya narrow it down a bit?  please on health care what is your answer tim... 
 
rhetorically or otherwise
 
or are you simply an empty suit and you dont really have answers just bit*ches 

 

[Tim Nelson]

thats a great answer 
 
 
can ya narrow it down a bit?  please on health care what is your answer tim... 
 
rhetorically or otherwise
 
or are you simply an empty suit and you dont really have answers just bit*ches

you need a cap on it like all functionable plans because a tsunami is going to hit. We just dont know how big.

 

[WeAAsles]

you need a cap on it like all functionable plans because a tsunami is going to hit. We just dont know how big.

Tim I posted the rates for Florida a few posts back. Those rates were for individuals with the max (best plan) being around $400. Don't you think it's fairly common sense that if you have a GROUP rate for the size of our group, the cost will be substantially lower? Not to mention that my contract still does currently have a cap so I expect that to be improved on in the joint talks.

The possibility also exists that we could be given the option to opt out and go on the exchange with the company subsidizing a good portion of that rate?

Your predictions of doom and gloom just don't add up. Sorry.

 

[NYer]

What is the % cap on our present health care? Why didnt the negotiations committee negotiate a cap, for instance, health care cant go up no more than 7%?
I realize most of you want the money but that health care letter is a blank check. No cap no nothing. And whatever the cost is that we have to guess at, there is little our union can do to prevent it.
As far as me never being satisfied, thats a good question, but at this point i simply havent seen any agreement that doesnt screams"next time".
My reality of labor is far different from the reality that corporate america levies on an accepting labor leadership, so much that my views are quite radical from todays labor. For instance, i find it unconscible (weAAsles help me out with the spelling) and preposterous that any labor person would not have addressed our pitiful pension benefit, all part time issues, and not even bothered pressing for a cap on health care. In not doing so, i find the current ta be utter nonsense although i fully admit our membership is more interested in a fistful of dollars.

Wow. You'd think you would pick something with more substance to gripe about. The cap you seek can be whatever number you create. That cap would have nothing to do with the excise tax placed on the medical plan, which would start for the amount above a value of $27,500 (a married couple). The plan would have to reach that amount in order to trigger any possible payments at a 40% clip for any amount above that. By the way, the $27,500 number is adjusted upward by Consumer Price Index for All Urban Consumers (CPI-U) , plus 1%. After 2020, it is adjusted by the Consumer Price Index for All Urban Consumers (CPI-U), each instance it is to the nearest $50.

The value of the plan Is what triggers the excise tax.

That means that your union has garnered an agreement that would let them and YOU agree to how that issue would be addressed in the future....ignoring it, doesn't make it disappear.

 

[NYer]

u talking about the contract in 2008 that passed by almost 70% that everybody now loves to #### about because the error of their ways?
My previous questions were rhetorical. The question remains, why did the negotiators punt on health care and at least establish a cap on increases as other labor contracts have done in this industry over the past year?

How do put a cap on 0?

 

[PHXConx]

That means that your union has garnered an agreement that would let them and YOU agree to how that issue would be addressed in the future....ignoring it, doesn't make it disappear.

ding ding ding give this man a cigar... 

 

[PHXConx]

you need a cap on it like all functionable plans because a tsunami is going to hit. We just dont know how big.

did your "degree" include a  minor on how not to answer a question?

 

[PHXConx]

you need a cap on it like all functionable plans because a tsunami is going to hit. We just dont know how big.

so tell me what is the cap on the tax?  we never negotiated how much of the tax they can pass on to us, the tax has nothing to do with the plan because the cost of the plan would still be the same... i bet the company would say 100% since we never had a negotiation of that tax or any issue of it, the paper was necessary so we could in the future be able to keep that reality from happening...  by negotiating the difference...
 
your answer is so far keep the status quo.  not work with the company to be able to still give us the best possible health insurance and still within the ACA not have the cost of the tax (which is not the cost of the plan) passed on to us..  
 
thats brilliant any other pay you want to pis* away?  because you want to ignore the realities of the new health care law?

 

[Tim Nelson]

Tim I posted the rates for Florida a few posts back. Those rates were for individuals with the max (best plan) being around $400. Don't you think it's fairly common sense that if you have a GROUP rate for the size of our group, the cost will be substantially lower? Not to mention that my contract still does currently have a cap so I expect that to be improved on in the joint talks.
The possibility also exists that we could be given the option to opt out and go on the exchange with the company subsidizing a good portion of that rate?
Your predictions of doom and gloom just don't add up. Sorry.

u might want to talk to ole AH about those der $400 a month plans in florida and have him get us all qualified for subsidies! Lol