Word is AA/US have settled with the DOJ

[nycbusdriver]

DL will show the world that the DOJ's sense of justice is anything but and show that WN can't really compete against DL or DL will gain access to Love Field

      :LOL:
 
I hope you're not in a job category that requires random drugs testing, or you are in deep doo-doo.

 

[AANOTOK]

DL will show the world that the DOJ's sense of justice is anything but and show that WN can't really compete against DL or DL will gain access to Love Field

Is that fact or opinion...jimintx only wants facts! 🙂

 

[Jacobin777]

 
I've not your experience with Horton, but where "team tempe" is ever concerned, well...the old lips-moving = lying is worthy of note, and all must expect to have to fight mangement at every level for anything, whether specifically contained in contracts or not. The as yet unresolved, filed grievances for just the pilot group alone at US number in the many hundreds. Just a well-intentioned heads up to all you folks at American. Don't believe what you hear from these people. Believe only what's done.

 
Horton is "vile" because he was somewhat associated with the previous management. Forget about the fact what Horton has done the past couple of years since taking AA over.
 
As I've been saying, I do have 'Plan-B' in case flying with AA doesn't pan out well. Hopefully I'm 100% wrong and AA will be even a better carreir than it is today.
 

DL will show the world that the DOJ's sense of justice is anything but and show that WN can't really compete against DL or DL will gain access to Love Field

 
DL won't get Love Field access, nor will it get and DCA or LGA slots. Its really as simple as that.

 

[IORFA]

I agree on any slots. However, if no one else but WN and Delta wants the love Field gates I could seriously see them getting them. Maybe B6 would be interested.

 

[cltrat]

Yes yes yes!!!! Mighty Delta will smite the upstart AA from the skies!! then pick her bones like roadkill on a highway.

Jesus dude gtfr!

 

[WorldTraveler]

Horton is "vile" because he was somewhat associated with the previous management. Forget about the fact what Horton has done the past couple of years since taking AA over.
 
As I've been saying, I do have 'Plan-B' in case flying with AA doesn't pan out well. Hopefully I'm 100% wrong and AA will be even a better carreir than it is today.
 
 
DL won't get Love Field access, nor will it get and DCA or LGA slots. Its really as simple as that.

except AA and US apparently don't have a plan A-Z that included the reality that DL will be picking up assets as part of the divestiture.

They of course don't want DL competing them... and history is clear evidence why. Enter exhibit JFK.

 

[FWAAA]

.DL won't get Love Field access, nor will it get and DCA or LGA slots. Its really as simple as that.

I agree that DL won't be allowed to gain any of the DCA or LGA slots.   Notta chance.   As many have pointed out, AA would probably prefer that DL get them due to the fact that DL generally doesn't represent low-fare competition.    WN and B6 don't play the "live and let live" game that the legacies play, and will use those slots to lower to major destinations.   
 
The Dallas Love Field gates?   Closer call.   Don't know whether B6 is interested in them.   I suppose if B6 wants them, they would represent lower-fare competition than Delta.   

 

[WorldTraveler]

since you are the law boy, would you like to show us where in US law it is permitted for any office of the US government to allocate any domestic aviation resources based on the ability of any carrier to provide a certain level of pricing?

Would you also like to let us know the formula that would be used to make an argument that one carrier offers a higher or lower fare than another, esp. in markets that are fully competitive with other carriers.

Let me remind you that DL has LFC competition in its top markets and yet still managed to obtain a revenue premium to the industry.

 

[jimntx]

Horton is "vile" because he was somewhat associated with the previous management. Forget about the fact what Horton has done the past couple of years since taking AA over.
 
As I've been saying, I do have 'Plan-B' in case flying with AA doesn't pan out well. Hopefully I'm 100% wrong and AA will be even a better carreir than it is today.
 
 
DL won't get Love Field access, nor will it get and DCA or LGA slots. Its really as simple as that.

DL already has Love Field access. They have flights from there now. They just want additional gate space. And, the divestiture of gates at DAL (and other stated airports) did not specify "low-cost" competition--just assurance that competition would be possible. Now, since DAL's major carrier is a low-cost airline, seems to me there is no reason why DL should be denied additional gate space.

 

[WorldTraveler]

DL uses gates that are leased from AA who has to divest its Love Field assets. DL will lose the ability to serve DAL. As part of the divestiture agreement, DL and UA cannot bid on any divested assets.

Thus, DL's response.

 

[swamt]

I agree that DL won't be allowed to gain any of the DCA or LGA slots.   Notta chance.   As many have pointed out, AA would probably prefer that DL get them due to the fact that DL generally doesn't represent low-fare competition.    WN and B6 don't play the "live and let live" game that the legacies play, and will use those slots to lower to major destinations.   
 
The Dallas Love Field gates?   Closer call.   Don't know whether B6 is interested in them.   I suppose if B6 wants them, they would represent lower-fare competition than Delta.   

You are 100% correct and I agree with everything you say, including B6 possibly coming to DAL.  What kills WT is hearing it.  What he doesn't want to admit is the gov wants fares to go down at LGA and DCA, therefore the slots are going to be allocated to LCC's only.  Otherwise if they were to go to other legacies the prices would more than likely continue to increase.  Who knows, maybe Alaska would want to come into DAL...

 

[swamt]

Just a reminder for WT. WT, you might wanna take some pain killers prior to reading this one as it is going to hurt you to read it:



Delta, United Unlikely to Get AMR Slots, U.S. Official Says

By David McLaughlin - Nov 14, 2013 10:49 AM CT .
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Delta Air Lines Inc. (DAL) and United Continental Holdings Inc. (UAL) are unlikely to win U.S. approval to get take-off and landing rights given up by American Airlines to settle a lawsuit over its merger with US Airways Group Inc., a Justice Department official said.

Renata Hesse, a senior official in the department’s antitrust division, reiterated that the proposed settlement, which will allow AMR Corp. (AAMRQ)’s American to merge with US Airways, is designed to introduce competition at key airports by low-cost carriers.

“Whether somebody wants to try to get assets, we’re not going to stop people from trying,” Hesse told reporters. “But it’s hard for me to see how Delta and United would qualify -- would meet that description.”

The airlines must give up 104 flight slots at Reagan National Airport in Washington and 34 at New York’s LaGuardia Airport, along with smaller divestitures at five other airports, under the proposed settlement reached with the Justice Department Nov. 12. The agreement must be approved by a federal judge.

The accord positions the carriers to complete their combination in December, bringing AMR out of bankruptcy.

 

[WorldTraveler]

You apparently don't get that DL is challenging the DoJ's decision? Wow just wow

Can you tell us the legal basis for restricting the divestiture of assets to a certain subclass of the industry?

WN thought they needed to carve up the AA assets just like they did when the WA was written.

DL doesn't agree.

Texas arrogance has met its match.

 

[robbedagain]

Link to where dl is challenging the doj decision?

 

[MetalMover]

You apparently don't get that DL is challenging the DoJ's decision? Wow just wow

Can you tell us the legal basis for restricting the divestiture of assets to a certain subclass of the industry?

WN thought they needed to carve up the AA assets just like they did when the WA was written.

DL doesn't agree.

Texas arrogance has met its match.

WAAAAAAAA...we want to be the biggest! Waaaa!
 
Can't wait until WT eats crow on this one.