WN Mechanics seek mediation

You have answered your own question of why no strike vote. Article 23 says it all. I have yet to hear of a good reason to take a strike vote. You just keep claiming that people are scared to take one. I do know the results of the survey and the NC will in fact act on what the MAJORITY has spoken up about thru this survey. I just do not understand the rush, rush, rush for a strike vote. The NMB will not elect for a cooling down period anyway, they haven't since the NWA fiasco. Twice that I know of with Hawaii and Frontier Pilots told just to get back to the table and negotiate further. Besides all that Art. 23 clearly states that the union will not authorise a strike, which as some on hear have stated, takes the authorization of the ND. I know, it doesn't state that we cannot take a vote, but why in the world would you take a vote when the union can't even authorize one? That would be just stupid and a waste of time and money. We cannot strike, as the co. cannot lock us out, so let's get off all this nonsense of strike voting, lockouts by the co. and striking as neither side can do either one during the term of this agreement. Which now is in status quo. This is just stupid to continue arguing about something that can never be done. It's time to move on. I say we all get behind our NC at the table and hopefully we can get something to vote on by the end of this year. I do not see anything at end of this month for sure...
I get it perfectly. Whether article 23 was in the contract or not doesn't matter. The RLA says you cannot strike or get locked out during status quo. A strike authorization vote would only apply during self help. The union felt it urgent enough after six years to query the members. The bumbling idiot does not want to understand it because he don't want to face a scab situation if it gets nasty. Who does?
 
I get it perfectly. Whether article 23 was in the contract or not doesn't matter. The RLA says you cannot strike or get locked out during status quo. A strike authorization vote would only apply during self help. The union felt it urgent enough after six years to query the members. The bumbling idiot does not want to understand it because he don't want to face a scab situation if it gets nasty. Who does?
You still here troll, you need to go talk to the ex Northwest guys and see how that worked out for them, how did AMFA respond to you in the last union meeting did you bring up your strike vote there with them, or are you just in internet land stirring up your b. s. !
 
I will stand by my original post. No T/A will come about until the Federal Lawsuits filed by both sides are litigated threw the Federal court system or a settlement is reached. The " Big White Elephant" standing in the middle of the room. Reality!!!
 
I will stand by my original post. No T/A will come about until the Federal Lawsuits filed by both sides are litigated threw the Federal court system or a settlement is reached. The " Big White Elephant" standing in the middle of the room. Reality!!!
Usually when you come to a T/ A the lawsuits are dropped kinda goes hand in hand !
 
I get it perfectly. Whether article 23 was in the contract or not doesn't matter. The RLA says you cannot strike or get locked out during status quo. A strike authorization vote would only apply during self help. The union felt it urgent enough after six years to query the members. The bumbling idiot does not want to understand it because he don't want to face a scab situation if it gets nasty. Who does?

Wrong! Because art. 23 is in our contract, we must follow status quo. It art. 23 was not in our contract we would be free to vote for a strike and GO on strike. The RLA does state that you must continue in status quo after end of contract date. It does not state as you say. Status quo means what is in the contract. It does not mean you can or cannot strike or get locked out. Because art. 23 is in our contract means we cannot strike and the company cannot lock us out, period. You really need to get better educated on what is at hand prior to posting. You really do look like an idiot. Read the contract, read the RLA and get educated on what they really mean.

Usually when you come to a T/ A the lawsuits are dropped kinda goes hand in hand !

It is not hand in hand. Where the hell do you get that? That is what the company wants YOU to think. And that is what the company wants the membership to believe. Not that easy anymore. suits have absolutely NOTHING to do with contracts getting settled--period.
 
Wrong! Because art. 23 is in our contract, we must follow status quo. It art. 23 was not in our contract we would be free to vote for a strike and GO on strike. The RLA does state that you must continue in status quo after end of contract date. It does not state as you say. Status quo means what is in the contract. It does not mean you can or cannot strike or get locked out. Because art. 23 is in our contract means we cannot strike and the company cannot lock us out, period. You really need to get better educated on what is at hand prior to posting. You really do look like an idiot. Read the contract, read the RLA and get educated on what they really mean.



It is not hand in hand. Where the hell do you get that? That is what the company wants YOU to think. And that is what the company wants the membership to believe. Not that easy anymore. suits have absolutely NOTHING to do with contracts getting settled--period.
When I said that I was trying to imply that usually not always the lawsuits are settled once you come to an agreement, because when our pilots reached their T/ A part of the conditions were that the lawsuits were dropped! AMFA will not want to have any outstanding lawsuits they have to defend to bite them in the butt that's all, I wasn't saying it was going to be instantaneous the moment we have a t/a neither side will want anything hanging over their heads. Plus if you look at what the lawsuits intell both sides can use that as leverage in negotiations as a bargaining chip !
 
Wrong! Because art. 23 is in our contract, we must follow status quo. It art. 23 was not in our contract we would be free to vote for a strike and GO on strike. The RLA does state that you must continue in status quo after end of contract date. It does not state as you say. Status quo means what is in the contract. It does not mean you can or cannot strike or get locked out. Because art. 23 is in our contract means we cannot strike and the company cannot lock us out, period. You really need to get better educated on what is at hand prior to posting. You really do look like an idiot. Read the contract, read the RLA and get educated on what they really mean.



It is not hand in hand. Where the hell do you get that? That is what the company wants YOU to think. And that is what the company wants the membership to believe. Not that easy anymore. suits have absolutely NOTHING to do with contracts getting settled--period.
So you believe the Federal lawsuits filed have no influence on the status of the negotiations????? Wow. We shall see??
 
Wrong! Because art. 23 is in our contract, we must follow status quo. It art. 23 was not in our contract we would be free to vote for a strike and GO on strike. The RLA does state that you must continue in status quo after end of contract date. It does not state as you say. Status quo means what is in the contract. It does not mean you can or cannot strike or get locked out. Because art. 23 is in our contract means we cannot strike and the company cannot lock us out, period. You really need to get better educated on what is at hand prior to posting. You really do look like an idiot. Read the contract, read the RLA and get educated on what they really mean.



It is not hand in hand. Where the hell do you get that? That is what the company wants YOU to think. And that is what the company wants the membership to believe. Not that easy anymore. suits have absolutely NOTHING to do with contracts getting settled--period.
You are as confused as the other bumbling idiot on this board. If this is the education level of this work group concerning the RLA, we are in serious trouble. Contact your airline rep or better yet clear skies.
 
You are as confused as the other bumbling idiot on this board. If this is the education level of this work group concerning the RLA, we are in serious trouble. Contact your airline rep or better yet clear skies.
Hey Strike vote troll is back tell me how did your let's take a stike vote go for you in the Union meeting go on July 24-th, or are you just a blowhard on the internet?
 
You are as confused as the other bumbling idiot on this board. If this is the education level of this work group concerning the RLA, we are in serious trouble. Contact your airline rep or better yet clear skies.
Ok bright eyes I am going to explain this one time why you are flawed. Southwest Airlines is in Texas , we have Republican based in charge in Washington that is not going to side with labor, and neither is NMB! You bring up your strike vote I guarantee if you are as senior as you claim the Maintenance Controllers, Trainers, Leads, Inspectors, senior mechanics , and anyone with more than 5 years would shout you down! They will not risk their livelihood! AMFA and the negotiating committee have a game plan that doesn't involve destroying the membership jobs, like yours does! Also AMFA and Seham make money and they will not risk that, nor wanting to organize other airlines because a few people like you want the nuclear option ! Yes we are a democratic union, but if you threaten this union or it's membership with stupid ideas, we will turn on you and become like the Teamsters so fast it will make your head spin! And based on you spouting off like you do, I know you are just an internet troll !
 
Ok bright eyes I am going to explain this one time why you are flawed. Southwest Airlines is in Texas , we have Republican based in charge in Washington that is not going to side with labor, and neither is NMB! You bring up your strike vote I guarantee if you are as senior as you claim the Maintenance Controllers, Trainers, Leads, Inspectors, senior mechanics , and anyone with more than 5 years would shout you down! They will not risk their livelihood! AMFA and the negotiating committee have a game plan that doesn't involve destroying the membership jobs, like yours does! Also AMFA and Seham make money and they will not risk that, nor wanting to organize other airlines because a few people like you want the nuclear option ! Yes we are a democratic union, but if you threaten this union or it's membership with stupid ideas, we will turn on you and become like the Teamsters so fast it will make your head spin! And based on you spouting off like you do, I know you are just an internet troll !
Thanks for your detailed explanation. I completely understand now that you are a Snowflake!
 
You have answered your own question of why no strike vote. Article 23 says it all. I have yet to hear of a good reason to take a strike vote. You just keep claiming that people are scared to take one. I do know the results of the survey and the NC will in fact act on what the MAJORITY has spoken up about thru this survey. I just do not understand the rush, rush, rush for a strike vote. The NMB will not elect for a cooling down period anyway, they haven't since the NWA fiasco. Twice that I know of with Hawaii and Frontier Pilots told just to get back to the table and negotiate further. Besides all that Art. 23 clearly states that the union will not authorise a strike, which as some on hear have stated, takes the authorization of the ND. I know, it doesn't state that we cannot take a vote, but why in the world would you take a vote when the union can't even authorize one? That would be just stupid and a waste of time and money. We cannot strike, as the co. cannot lock us out, so let's get off all this nonsense of strike voting, lockouts by the co. and striking as neither side can do either one during the term of this agreement. Which now is in status quo. This is just stupid to continue arguing about something that can never be done. It's time to move on. I say we all get behind our NC at the table and hopefully we can get something to vote on by the end of this year. I do not see anything at end of this month for sure...
Hey Swamt you started the board you know the pulse of the membership, I am tired of arguing with this I ll have another guy it is pointless, I know where I am at no one wants a strike vote, could please inform this troll his points are futile and can we get back to the original purpose of this board!
 
Hey Swamt you started the board you know the pulse of the membership, I am tired of arguing with this I ll have another guy it is pointless, I know where I am at no one wants a strike vote, could please inform this troll his points are futile and can we get back to the original purpose of this board!
I'm not swamt but I've come to the conclusion that the only ones who would benefit from a strike would be our competitors, management, and MRO vendors, concluding that anyone admonishing such an act must be a representative of one of the three. I've not heard one syllable from any coworker suggesting a strike as an option and doubt any would bother to suggest it here.
 

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