WN Mechanics seek mediation

[I'll have another]

Let me ask something Mr. Smartass, are you going to walk from a six figure away job, a 401k match you won't find anywhere else in the industry, profit sharing that I see no where in the industry, because you don't get your $64.00 an hour. Maybe you can knock on UPS door when you are out of work because the company replaced you and the rest of your hothead self destructive friends that drove the bus off a cliff and lost our jobs, but you were a big man! ! Oh and the rest of the unions at SWA will not honor AMFA picket line, plus the IAM, TWU , and the Teamsters would crow about AMFA only loses mechanics jobs, way to go excellent plan !

Well I thought you had some reason but you're as dense as a brick wall. It's not about walking it's about being locked out. When the company refuses to negotiate do you think the NMB is going to continue mediation forever? This will eventually come to an end(impasse). Then a PEB, then self help. Then what are you going to do? I could careless about the pay. Somebody said it right on this board."you make your real money with the work/wage rules". To me its all about scope. You obviously don't want to understand what your up against. Keep sucking on that swa pacifier and let the men take care of the tough stuff for you. I understand!

 

[B737 driver]

Well I thought you had some reason but you're as dense as a brick wall. It's not about walking it's about being locked out. When the company refuses to negotiate do you think the NMB is going to continue mediation forever? This will eventually come to an end(impasse). Then a PEB, then self help. Then what are you going to do? I could careless about the pay. Somebody said it right on this board."you make your real money with the work/wage rules". To me its all about scope. You obviously don't want to understand what your up against. Keep sucking on that swa pacifier and let the men take care of the tough stuff for you. I understand!

I think the shoe is on the other foot, you are telling me you would risk your job for supposedly you have been here over 20 years, I think that is b. .s. for some scope language, just to be replaced and start all over over the age of 50 on midnights making half what you did, the pacifier statement almost sounds like Hackman, but I know he is man enough to not do that, you must be a special kind of stupid !

 

[I'll have another]

I think the shoe is on the other foot, you are telling me you would risk your job for supposedly you have been here over 20 years, I think that is b. .s. for some scope language, just to be replaced and start all over over the age of 50 on midnights making half what you did, the pacifier statement almost sounds like Hackman, but I know he is man enough to not do that, you must be a special kind of stupid !

Stick your head in the sand and hope the boogie man goes away. That is what you are proposing. Well slick it isn't going to happen. You still don't understand what you are up against.

 

[B737 driver]

Stick your head in the sand and hope the boogie man goes away. That is what you are proposing. Well slick it isn't going to happen. You still don't understand what you are up against.

So tell me you want a strike authorization vote so bad, what ammunition is that going to give you in negotiations with the company, do you think that is going to scare them into giving you a contract! Let's see where we are at August 16 th marks 5 years, informational picketing hasn't worked! They meet 2 to 3 days a month for 5 years , that hasn't changed! They have offered the met/ arb obviously AMFA is not really interested in that approach! The company has a number on what they will pay in labor cost and we will meet somewhere in the middle for some relief on scope, and eventually we will get a T/ A if it is next year, so be it! You see the reason the survey was not released is because it did not make the union look good, and the company could use that do their advantage! In reality most mechanics do not care anymore and are just tired of it all! AMFA is not stupid they are in reality like every other union they want to achieve a contract without destroying their membership jobs, and not being able to organize other airlines! When it ends and the deal gets voted in they will still be able to point see we get industry leading pay at Southwest airlines! Brett is not going to give into your little internet drive for a strike vote and have a Northwest airlines again and destroy this union!

 

[737MX]

Sign me up!!! Don't let AMFA greed do to you what they did to us at NWA! When they convince you to strike they will not continue to send you those fat SWA paychecks!


Why Do Southwest Airlines Employees Always Seem So Happy?
07/28/2017
Forbes


Earlier this year, Southwest Airlines announced it would be sharing $586 million in profits with its 54,000 employees – which equates to about a 13.2% average bonus for each employee, or roughly the equivalent of six weeks' pay. And that doesn't even count the extra $351 million the company contributed to its employees' 401(k) plans.

In an era marked by squabbles over the minimum wage and the gap in pay between executives and front-line employees, those numbers stand out. (The company paid out a record $620 million the year before.) Is it any wonder that Southwest employees always seem so happy when you're checking into your flight?

As Gary Kelly, Southwest's CEO said: “Our people-first approach, which has guided our company since it was founded, means when our company does well, our people do really, really well. Our people work incredibly hard and deserve to share in Southwest's success.”

Remarkably, it's the 43rd year in a row that Southwest has shared profits with its people, who also reportedly own about 10% of the company's shares as well. The airline has also never laid anyone off or cut pay.

The company has long been lauded for its strong workplace culture and engaged workforce – which might also have something to do with getting employees to think and act like owners by sharing the profits of their shared success. (It's worth noting that Southwest also has a union workforce, which sometimes leads to conflict from time to time.)

Herb Kelleher, the airline's founder, is quoted in the book, Nuts by Kevin and Jackie Freiberg, about the fact that in 1973 Southwest became the first major airline to introduce profit-sharing to its employees, as saying: “Profitsharing is an expense we want to be as big as possible so our people get a greater reward.”

(If you're a fan of Podcasts, I'd also recommend listening to Kelleher's interview with NPR where he talks about the early days of starting his groundbreaking airline.)

It really shouldn't come as a surprise, then, to hear stories about flight attendants picking up trash, gate agents tracking down borrowed staplers, or pilots cutting back on fuel usage precisely because they know that will impact their company's profits.

As the Freibergs write in their book: “The real secret to Southwest's success is having one of the most highly motivated and productive work forces in the world. They are motivated by a sense of fairness that says, ‘We want your well-being to be tied to the company's well-being because, after all, you are the company.'”

Southwest's long record of success stands out in context with United Airlines failed attempt at making their employees owners, when in 1995, pilots and machinists exchanged about $5 billion in wage and benefit cuts for 55% of the shares in the company. The move paid immediate dividends, as the market value of United's stock climbed some $4 billion.

But it wasn't long before things collapsed for a variety of reasons – including the fact that the flight attendant's union never supported the ESOP, as Bill Fotsch and John Case explain in their excellent article about how United could have avoided its troubles.

One of the key lessons we can learn from the United story is that simply handing over equity to employees isn't a solution onto itself if you haven't taught your employees how to run the business. Similarly, it also shows the dysfunction that can be created when only a percentage of the employees get to share in the company's success.

Which gets us back to Southwest's success. It's remarkable to think about any company, especially an airline, running profitably for 43 years - not quarters - and counting. While Southwest isn't an ESOP, it has found a way to get all of its employees pulling together toward common goals where, when they reach them, they all get to share in the rewards.

It's just another example that helps illustrate the power of employee ownership behaviors in action.

 

[I'll have another]

So tell me you want a strike authorization vote so bad, what ammunition is that going to give you in negotiations with the company, do you think that is going to scare them into giving you a contract! Let's see where we are at August 16 th marks 5 years, informational picketing hasn't worked! They meet 2 to 3 days a month for 5 years , that hasn't changed! They have offered the met/ arb obviously AMFA is not really interested in that approach! The company has a number on what they will pay in labor cost and we will meet somewhere in the middle for some relief on scope, and eventually we will get a T/ A if it is next year, so be it! You see the reason the survey was not released is because it did not make the union look good, and the company could use that do their advantage! In reality most mechanics do not care anymore and are just tired of it all! AMFA is not stupid they are in reality like every other union they want to achieve a contract without destroying their membership jobs, and not being able to organize other airlines! When it ends and the deal gets voted in they will still be able to point see we get industry leading pay at Southwest airlines! Brett is not going to give into your little internet drive for a strike vote and have a Northwest airlines again and destroy this union!

SWA has zero respect for this union and is making a mockery of the RLA by not negotiating in good faith and trying to circumvent the process with this med-arb scheme. You should understand that by now and so should the NMB understand that by now. SWA has NO intentions of meeting anybody half way. It's there way or the highway. August marks the 6th year in negotiations. It's been 5 years since the contract has become amendable. I understand the company could careless about a strike authorization vote but the NMB should. The whole point of the RLA/NMB is to avoid commerce disruption. AMFA did right by filing the lawsuit. A strike authorization vote will make the case even stronger. The boogie man isn't going away.

 

[B737 driver]

Sign me up!!! Don't let AMFA greed do to you what they did to us at NWA! When they convince you to strike they will not continue to send you those fat SWA paychecks!


Why Do Southwest Airlines Employees Always Seem So Happy?
07/28/2017
Forbes


Earlier this year, Southwest Airlines announced it would be sharing $586 million in profits with its 54,000 employees – which equates to about a 13.2% average bonus for each employee, or roughly the equivalent of six weeks' pay. And that doesn't even count the extra $351 million the company contributed to its employees' 401(k) plans.

In an era marked by squabbles over the minimum wage and the gap in pay between executives and front-line employees, those numbers stand out. (The company paid out a record $620 million the year before.) Is it any wonder that Southwest employees always seem so happy when you're checking into your flight?

As Gary Kelly, Southwest's CEO said: “Our people-first approach, which has guided our company since it was founded, means when our company does well, our people do really, really well. Our people work incredibly hard and deserve to share in Southwest's success.”

Remarkably, it's the 43rd year in a row that Southwest has shared profits with its people, who also reportedly own about 10% of the company's shares as well. The airline has also never laid anyone off or cut pay.

The company has long been lauded for its strong workplace culture and engaged workforce – which might also have something to do with getting employees to think and act like owners by sharing the profits of their shared success. (It's worth noting that Southwest also has a union workforce, which sometimes leads to conflict from time to time.)

Herb Kelleher, the airline's founder, is quoted in the book, Nuts by Kevin and Jackie Freiberg, about the fact that in 1973 Southwest became the first major airline to introduce profit-sharing to its employees, as saying: “Profitsharing is an expense we want to be as big as possible so our people get a greater reward.”

(If you're a fan of Podcasts, I'd also recommend listening to Kelleher's interview with NPR where he talks about the early days of starting his groundbreaking airline.)

It really shouldn't come as a surprise, then, to hear stories about flight attendants picking up trash, gate agents tracking down borrowed staplers, or pilots cutting back on fuel usage precisely because they know that will impact their company's profits.

As the Freibergs write in their book: “The real secret to Southwest's success is having one of the most highly motivated and productive work forces in the world. They are motivated by a sense of fairness that says, ‘We want your well-being to be tied to the company's well-being because, after all, you are the company.'”

Southwest's long record of success stands out in context with United Airlines failed attempt at making their employees owners, when in 1995, pilots and machinists exchanged about $5 billion in wage and benefit cuts for 55% of the shares in the company. The move paid immediate dividends, as the market value of United's stock climbed some $4 billion.

But it wasn't long before things collapsed for a variety of reasons – including the fact that the flight attendant's union never supported the ESOP, as Bill Fotsch and John Case explain in their excellent article about how United could have avoided its troubles.

One of the key lessons we can learn from the United story is that simply handing over equity to employees isn't a solution onto itself if you haven't taught your employees how to run the business. Similarly, it also shows the dysfunction that can be created when only a percentage of the employees get to share in the company's success.

Which gets us back to Southwest's success. It's remarkable to think about any company, especially an airline, running profitably for 43 years - not quarters - and counting. While Southwest isn't an ESOP, it has found a way to get all of its employees pulling together toward common goals where, when they reach them, they all get to share in the rewards.

It's just another example that helps illustrate the power of employee ownership behaviors in action.

I personally think I ll have another is a troll seeing if we are stupid enough to jump on his strike bandwagon if he was really as senior as he claims with the amount he has in his 401k and profit sharing no mechanic with a brain would risk that, he needs to just look at the number of applications that SWA gets everyday thousands and thousands we will sit here at our current contract with all our work rules and the maintenance we do everyday enjoying our way of life. He can go into the corner and sulk! AMFA wants to organize American Airlines and will not allow another Northwest failure to grow their numbers! They are a business and they want to grow their business and will not devert from their game plan! Seham doesn't have 13 attorneys on staff for nothing! However his brain is to small to comprehend that! And no I am not trashing the law firm I am making a statement for how AMFA wants to run their business !

 

[B737 driver]

SWA has zero respect for this union and is making a mockery of the RLA by not negotiating in good faith and trying to circumvent the process with this med-arb scheme. You should understand that by now and so should the NMB understand that by now. SWA has NO intentions of meeting anybody half way. It's there way or the highway. August marks the 6th year in negotiations. It's been 5 years since the contract has become amendable. I understand the company could careless about a strike authorization vote but the NMB should. The whole point of the RLA/NMB is to avoid commerce disruption. AMFA did right by filing the lawsuit. A strike authorization vote will make the case even stronger. The boogie man isn't going away.

So the RLA is going to help us, it didn't help the Northwest guys, the RLA helps the airlines, run their business and it will help you right out the door! Talk about respect for the union, why is every other group done but us, well the store guys rejected theirs, looks like we have another labor lawyer mechanic on our hands!

 

[B737 driver]

SWA has zero respect for this union and is making a mockery of the RLA by not negotiating in good faith and trying to circumvent the process with this med-arb scheme. You should understand that by now and so should the NMB understand that by now. SWA has NO intentions of meeting anybody half way. It's there way or the highway. August marks the 6th year in negotiations. It's been 5 years since the contract has become amendable. I understand the company could careless about a strike authorization vote but the NMB should. The whole point of the RLA/NMB is to avoid commerce disruption. AMFA did right by filing the lawsuit. A strike authorization vote will make the case even stronger. The boogie man isn't going away.

Hey Strike troll if the company has zero respect for this Union, why would even want a strike authorization vote, they would just laugh in your face, sounds like you really want a change in unions maybe the Teamsters, TWU, or IAM, after your grandiose plans fail for your strike they will be happy to step over AMFA carcass, I guess your card drive didn't get very far, so now you want tbe strike vote, try again Troll !

 

[I'll have another]

So the RLA is going to help us, it didn't help the Northwest guys, the RLA helps the airlines, run their business and it will help you right out the door! Talk about respect for the union, why is every other group done but us, well the store guys rejected theirs, looks like we have another labor lawyer mechanic on our hands!

You're not only as dense as a brick, you're proving to be as dumb as a stump. Without the RLA you would have been replaced a long time ago. No Strike/ No Lockout during status quo, that's in your contract, comes directly from the RLA. Must be a union member within 60 days, in your contract comes directly from the RLA, etc.....keep your head in the sand, the boogie man might go away.

 

[B737 driver]

You're not only as dense as a brick, you're proving to be as dumb as a stump. Without the RLA you would have been replaced a long time ago. No Strike/ No Lockout during status quo, that's in your contract, comes directly from the RLA. Must be a union member within 60 days, in your contract comes directly from the RLA, etc.....keep your head in the sand, the boogie man might go away.

Oh the boggie man, hey troll did the boggie man eat your brain, you better get a clue how the RLA works !

 

[B737 driver]

Hey anyone care to argue with I ll have another strike vote troll , I grow bored with his simpleton remarks !

 

[I'll have another]

Hey anyone care to argue with I ll have another strike vote troll , I grow bored with his simpleton remarks !

Can't handle the truth, so the head goes back in the sand. NEXT!

 

[swamt]

You have answered your own question of why no strike vote. Article 23 says it all. I have yet to hear of a good reason to take a strike vote. You just keep claiming that people are scared to take one. I do know the results of the survey and the NC will in fact act on what the MAJORITY has spoken up about thru this survey. I just do not understand the rush, rush, rush for a strike vote. The NMB will not elect for a cooling down period anyway, they haven't since the NWA fiasco. Twice that I know of with Hawaii and Frontier Pilots told just to get back to the table and negotiate further. Besides all that Art. 23 clearly states that the union will not authorise a strike, which as some on hear have stated, takes the authorization of the ND. I know, it doesn't state that we cannot take a vote, but why in the world would you take a vote when the union can't even authorize one? That would be just stupid and a waste of time and money. We cannot strike, as the co. cannot lock us out, so let's get off all this nonsense of strike voting, lockouts by the co. and striking as neither side can do either one during the term of this agreement. Which now is in status quo. This is just stupid to continue arguing about something that can never be done. It's time to move on. I say we all get behind our NC at the table and hopefully we can get something to vote on by the end of this year. I do not see anything at end of this month for sure...

 

[B737 driver]

You have answered your own question of why no strike vote. Article 23 says it all. I have yet to hear of a good reason to take a strike vote. You just keep claiming that people are scared to take one. I do know the results of the survey and the NC will in fact act on what the MAJORITY has spoken up about thru this survey. I just do not understand the rush, rush, rush for a strike vote. The NMB will not elect for a cooling down period anyway, they haven't since the NWA fiasco. Twice that I know of with Hawaii and Frontier Pilots told just to get back to the table and negotiate further. Besides all that Art. 23 clearly states that the union will not authorise a strike, which as some on hear have stated, takes the authorization of the ND. I know, it doesn't state that we cannot take a vote, but why in the world would you take a vote when the union can't even authorize one? That would be just stupid and a waste of time and money. We cannot strike, as the co. cannot lock us out, so let's get off all this nonsense of strike voting, lockouts by the co. and striking as neither side can do either one during the term of this agreement. Which now is in status quo. This is just stupid to continue arguing about something that can never be done. It's time to move on. I say we all get behind our NC at the table and hopefully we can get something to vote on by the end of this year. I do not see anything at end of this month for sure...

You have answered your own question of why no strike vote. Article 23 says it all. I have yet to hear of a good reason to take a strike vote. You just keep claiming that people are scared to take one. I do know the results of the survey and the NC will in fact act on what the MAJORITY has spoken up about thru this survey. I just do not understand the rush, rush, rush for a strike vote. The NMB will not elect for a cooling down period anyway, they haven't since the NWA fiasco. Twice that I know of with Hawaii and Frontier Pilots told just to get back to the table and negotiate further. Besides all that Art. 23 clearly states that the union will not authorise a strike, which as some on hear have stated, takes the authorization of the ND. I know, it doesn't state that we cannot take a vote, but why in the world would you take a vote when the union can't even authorize one? That would be just stupid and a waste of time and money. We cannot strike, as the co. cannot lock us out, so let's get off all this nonsense of strike voting, lockouts by the co. and striking as neither side can do either one during the term of this agreement. Which now is in status quo. This is just stupid to continue arguing about something that can never be done. It's time to move on. I say we all get behind our NC at the table and hopefully we can get something to vote on by the end of this year. I do not see anything at end of this month for sure...

Swamt I apologize for clogging up your board arguing with this idiot, I am just waiting too, I am thinking the end of this year, or first of 2018 !