Why Tim Nelson is Dangerous to IAM-represented employees at United Airlines

[RatifyNOW]

So you are all agitated that negotiations that were meant to being on improvements have taken four years (and counting) yet are content working under a concessionary agreement for nearly 12 years? Explain that. Tim is educating the membership, the DL wants this to pass ASAP so they can collect dues from sCO passenger service agents and UAL wants to integrate the operations. The nonsense the DL brought back to you guys is a joke as Tim has said, yet people like yourself defend it and chalk it up to be an excellent agreement. No one has yet provided specific examples of how Tim is dangerous to IAM members at UA, and when asked you avoid and ignore the questions.

Josh

Tim educating? LMAO I have seen better car salesman. All the party of No man is selling is more wasted time from paying my bills and supporting my girls. Voting down this TA would be paramount to saying hey United feel free to outsource all Continental Ramp and Continental Customer Service the Line PCE Stations they have ZERO job protection right now. Feel free United to outsource more than the recent six line stations since they have about the same.
Oh and sUA ramp by voting down this TA, TN is saying to United go ahead send in more RJ's and pull out the main line to eliminate more jobs what does he care he is USAirways its not his job security.

Enough already of the NO snake oil sales job

 

[Kev3188]

The money is what i'm in it for and this mom is voting for this TA.

So are you desperate, or just selfish? Help me out here...

 

[jet job]

Nelson is influence peddler. I say the flip will happen sometime just before Christmas .

 

[john john]

I say the flip will happen sometime just before Christmas .

Isn’t the M.O. to add protected stations to the T.A. to get the votes if it’s going to be close? Maybe show some solidity here

 

[T5towbar]

Oh, it's going to be a close vote. Especially with a one day walk up ballot. Like I said in a previous post, the feelings I'm getting is that this thing is going to pass. People are tired of fighting and the now the battle is extended to a second front. People will take the money. If this TA fails, a lot more will be picked off little by little. Who will be left to fight? Maybe new leadership will happen for the upcoming battles in '16.

As I said before, I don't gain much with this TA. But more people will ether gain or lose (being furloughed or forced to a hub that is undesirable). The only problem I have is why they won't release the seniority list till after ratification? What is the big mystery? IMHO, this should have been done soon after the arbitrator completed his work. Hats one of my biggest concerns. In this industry, SENIORITY is the only thing we got.

 

[Tim Nelson]

So are you desperate, or just selfish? Help me out here...

Its just another handle by bartz yhat he created.Perhaps yhe second biggest concession in this agreement other than scope, is lia3.

Remember, ua members have had a cap on their health care of 7% and as health care was going up, Yhey didnt have to pay the fullness of the 80/20 because cost were going up higher than the cap allowed. However, loa gives management a one time "reset" with no regards to limits and will immediately hammer all sUa agents.

But get a load of this, the company is doing an enrollment now with rates under the current contract. If there is a ratification, the company isnt even going to wait one year, it will do an immediate re enrollment by march.

Fwiw. The new sCo rates came out and the aetna $350 deductible ppo for a family is $501 a month or $6,000 a year.

 

[Kev3188]

Its just another handle by bartz yhat he created.Perhaps yhe second biggest concession in this agreement other than scope, is lia3.

Yeah, I figured as much...

Fwiw. The new sCo rates came out and the aetna $350 deductible ppo for a family is $501 a month or $6,000 a year.

Not for nothing, our PPO at NW also had a $350 deductible... That policy- negotiated by DL 143- was costing me about 1/3 what an sCO person will now pay...

WTF?

 

[Tim Nelson]

Yeah, I figured as much...



Not for nothing, our PPO at NW also had a $350 deductible... That policy- negotiated by DL 143- was costing me about 1/3 what an sCO person will now pay...

WTF?

What is more troubling is that our sUA brothers and sisters are paying next to nothing but LOA3 will hammer them.

LOA3 should make sUA members fall out of your seat.

That open enrollment the sUA are currently doing is based on their current agreement. Assuming a ratification, Delaney has allowed management to have a 'special enrollment' no later than March. In that LOA3, the cost and contributions for the sCO members can NOT go up from their current contribution schedule they have just received last week. However, for the sUA members, the special enrollment says that the company can 'reset' [lol] without regards to the otherwise applicable limit on maximum year-over-year increases in employee contribution rates.

The fact is that the rates sUA got or will get this week are based on your current enrollment and your current contract. Big deal because the new rates won't be known until 'as soon as practically following a CBA".

This LOA is new. It was not in TA1 and it will necessarily affect sUA negatively. None of us know how hight the contributions will be but I think we can reasonably assume it will mirror sCO.

 

[T5towbar]

I just checked enrollment rates (sCO), and since Aetna is the main medical provider, my rate will be going up by about 50.00 per month on the medical and about 6 dollars on the dental (from Met Life), from last years rates. I thought there would be some savings (maybe a few dollars here and there). If you are young and single and healthy, Aetna took "Smart Choice" off and replaced it with the "Bronze Plan" (I guess from the new ACA). IMHO, that's a bit of a loss. For me, I had to take one of the PPO plans. Of course I still get to keep my non smokers credit.

So I guess sUA would be paying a different rate from what sCO pays. For us, we seem to be paying more money this year.

 

[737823]

Tim,
What implications does this have for US and negotiations? As it is all companies, union or otherwise are flipping out over the ACA and raising premiums (and reducing coverage) as a result. Politics aside why did the District add these LOAs, completely circumventing the collective bargaining process and democratic process? Are they just desperate to get something ratified no matter how bad it is?

Josh

 

[Tim Nelson]

Tim,
What implications does this have for US and negotiations? As it is all companies, union or otherwise are flipping out over the ACA and raising premiums (and reducing coverage) as a result. Politics aside why did the District add these LOAs, completely circumventing the collective bargaining process and democratic process? Are they just desperate to get something ratified no matter how bad it is?

Josh

The iam added these because it simply doesnt give a damn. They would rather the company raise the rates to force everyone in public exchanges. As far as leaving off scope for 83 stations, the iam only cares that they stay iam members. See 2-2 and the second class wages that i know all to well. Heck this ta has no work rules either. Worst union contract i have ever seen.

 

[mike33]

I just checked enrollment rates (sCO), and since Aetna is the main medical provider, my rate will be going up by about 50.00 per month on the medical and about 6 dollars on the dental (from Met Life), from last years rates. I thought there would be some savings (maybe a few dollars here and there). If you are young and single and healthy, Aetna took "Smart Choice" off and replaced it with the "Bronze Plan" (I guess from the new ACA). IMHO, that's a bit of a loss. For me, I had to take one of the PPO plans. Of course I still get to keep my non smokers credit.

So I guess sUA would be paying a different rate from what sCO pays. For us, we seem to be paying more money this year.

A different prospective................... Your " I want my Retro $$ " will be paying for your medical. Look at it how you want.

 

[jet job]

Nelson so you came back? Been waiting for you..... When you gonna flip to the open market? Give us the answer.... We're waiting Vegas odds are on first week in December.

 

[jet job]

Cricket

 

[jet job]

Nelson every time I come on you poof disappear.