Why no contract from the Association?

[Albert]

It's all a stew. Who cares who's the meat or who's the potatoes. All the ingredients need to be added for it to taste good.

Like I said water under the bridge but I am glad I'm making $30 and working for the new AA. I hope creme will agree the merger does bring us both better job security

 

[swamt]

Okay they spend a few more minutes writing rhetorical highlights

No. They spend more time giving the membership a very detailed update to what was said, done, and acted upon during nego at the table. The companies actions and attitude speaks a lot more volume than their words. And then when we see our negotiators at work or just call them on the phone they give us the exact detailed update that the mediators do not allow them to put out or publish publically, but they still allow the company to run with their propaganda and not bring in the correct people to make the decisions. Your twin has no clue what is going on over here, he's just mouthing off because he has a hard on for me and will say anything to try to get me to entertain him. He didn't start doing this until after I continuously make him look like a fool in these forums, but mostly he does it on his own. Just be careful for whom you choose to ride with. I can tell by your responses that you are no where near his kind and I will debate or toss back and forth if you wish.

 

[Albert]

No. They spend more time giving the membership a very detailed update to what was said, done, and acted upon during nego at the table. The companies actions and attitude speaks a lot more volume than their words. And then when we see our negotiators at work or just call them on the phone they give us the exact detailed update that the mediators do not allow them to put out or publish publically, but they still allow the company to run with their propaganda and not bring in the correct people to make the decisions. Your twin has no clue what is going on over here, he's just mouthing off because he has a hard on for me and will say anything to try to get me to entertain him. He didn't start doing this until after I continuously make him look like a fool in these forums, but mostly he does it on his own. Just be careful for whom you choose to ride with. I can tell by your responses that you are no where near his kind and I will debate or toss back and forth if you wish.

It's obviously something you are passionate about and i don't mean to criticize I doubt you are in it for any gain it's just the preaching AMFA good all other unions bad. I just don't see it

 

[WeAAsles]

No. They spend more time giving the membership a very detailed update to what was said, done, and acted upon during nego at the table. The companies actions and attitude speaks a lot more volume than their words. And then when we see our negotiators at work or just call them on the phone they give us the exact detailed update that the mediators do not allow them to put out or publish publically, but they still allow the company to run with their propaganda and not bring in the correct people to make the decisions. Your twin has no clue what is going on over here, he's just mouthing off because he has a hard on for me and will say anything to try to get me to entertain him. He didn't start doing this until after I continuously make him look like a fool in these forums, but mostly he does it on his own. Just be careful for whom you choose to ride with. I can tell by your responses that you are no where near his kind and I will debate or toss back and forth if you wish.

Blah Blah Blah. I'll make this easy for you to understand. You live in a "small" house and I live in a "large" house. I've said to you many times that you have a fine house and with a little sprucing up it will look very nice. But you repay my kindness by continually telling me how chitty you think my house is and it has no hope of ever looking nice and you think I should demolish it.

So I got tired of you talking about my house and decided to start throwing rocks in the window of your little hovel. I don't want to throw any more rocks in your window BUT it's up to you to quit knocking my dwelling.

I'll try one more time even though I'm probably being a schmuck to do it.

You have a fine house and I hope you're happy in it. I think with a little sprucing up it could be a shining jewel in the neighborhood.

 

[WeAAsles]

It's obviously something you are passionate about and i don't mean to criticize I doubt you are in it for any gain it's just the preaching AMFA good all other unions bad. I just don't see it

At the end of the day Al you might have the most insight here of all of us when you said "It's all the same chit"?

 

[1AA]

So the LUS guys have 7 holidays a year? The LAA guys have had only 5 for the last 14 years. That alone equates to an over $20,000 giveback that a compAAny awash in profits continues to pocket. It seems the ASSociation turned a blind eye to this disparity from the start.

And the company does not have to contribute more into the iampf for those extra holidays, o/t and cs work. They save on the AA side because we don't have the extra holidays and doubletime. I'm starting to think both the IAM and company are going to push us into the iampf. Company saves money and iampf gets (steals) our retirement money. Its a win win for them and a big loss for the AA twu guys.

 

[conehead777]

I'm sure your updates are the same chit as the associations different logo that's all. Just curious if AMFA is so great why did UAL dump them?

No your wrong amfa updates tell what amfas proposal was and what company was our association updates are sorry as crap. I want to know what the info on the tas are not just they were tad .united mechanics were lied to and they made a big mistake if your iam is so great why were you without a contract for so long and the worst pay in industry. If you like us so much take Parker and your airplanes and leave laa alone. Us air and Parker have ruined AA and we will get bob Crandall to run it

 

[WeAAsles]

And the company does not have to contribute more into the iampf for those extra holidays, o/t and cs work. They save on the AA side because we don't have the extra holidays and doubletime. I'm starting to think both the IAM and company are going to push us into the iampf. Company saves money and iampf gets (steals) our retirement money. Its a win win for them and a big loss for the AA twu guys.

And a new hire who comes in off the street if he's FT gets the same amount (say it's $2.00 per hour) deposited into that IAMPF as a guy with 20 years.

So your math on the Company saving something doesn't quite work out.

 

[WeAAsles]

No your wrong amfa updates tell what amfas proposal was and what company was our association updates are sorry as crap. I want to know what the info on the tas are not just they were tad .united mechanics were lied to and they made a big mistake if your iam is so great why were you without a contract for so long and the worst pay in industry. If you like us so much take Parker and your airplanes and leave laa alone. Us air and Parker have ruined AA and we will get bob Crandall to run it

Because he worked for a smaller airline that didn't generate the same revenue as bigger airlines with more global reach.

Business 101. Learn it.

 

[Albert]

No your wrong amfa updates tell what amfas proposal was and what company was our association updates are sorry as crap. I want to know what the info on the tas are not just they were tad .united mechanics were lied to and they made a big mistake if your iam is so great why were you without a contract for so long and the worst pay in industry. If you like us so much take Parker and your airplanes and leave laa alone. Us air and Parker have ruined AA and we will get bob Crandall to run it

What????? never mind

 

[Albert]

Because he worked for a smaller airline that didn't generate the same revenue as bigger airlines with more global reach.

Business 101. Learn it.

That's it Weez I want to make a push to TWA these AA avionics guys to the bottom of the list.I was looking at the Salvadorian want ads they had a Avionics job listing. Starting pay is 6 pesos an hour

 

[WeAAsles]

That's it Weez I want to make a push to TWA these AA avionics guys to the bottom of the list.I was looking at the Salvadorian want ads they had a Avionics job listing. Starting pay is 6 pesos an hour

Association = No more TWA like scenarios.
Association = (Sigh) Yes best thing to avoid that.
No vote = Avoided the contest and most of the pissing matches that would have came with it.

 

[Albert]

Association = No more TWA like scenarios.
Association = (Sigh) Yes best thing to avoid that.
No vote = Avoided the contest and most of the pissing matches that would have came with it.

Your right we can't TWA them there is a law against that now.

 

[NYer]

Your right we can't TWA them there is a law against that now.

The "law" in place today would not have meant a different outcome for the TWA folks on the ramp or maintenance at AA.

 

[767 mechanic]

Thanks Weez some people on here get my point some don't . I think I'm outnumbered by the AA guys. I fully understand the AMTs wanting a contract ASAP they will be getting hefty raises, but our guys? If this drags out until after our September raises we will see what a .0004% raise and 55 cent differential if you work nights. To me why would I or any LUS guy want to give up our scope or medical for that. If that is IGM I can say what the LAA posters on here want is IGM also. As far as SWAMT he has a right to post but he's got a huge set of balls considering his contact status and the amount his union allows outsourced for some reason the LAA AMTs are blind to this

Albert what you and the industrial unionist refuse to understand is that the iam and the ibt are the unions that outsourced all the work at swa. It was not the AMFA. AMFA has brought work back in house while the industrial unions have been outsourcing work as fast as they can at the other airlines. When it comes to the AMFA you want the work to come back in house overnight but when it comes to the industrial unions you want to make excuses. A perfect example of this is that the AMFA has only negotiated a couple of contracts while they have been on the property at swa. Sounds to me like you guys are a bunch of hypocrites.