Why no contract from the Association?

[Albert]

And that's exactly the IAM's mentality. And that's exactly why the Association is Fkd up. And that's exactly why we don't have a contract yet. And that's exactly why your TWU brothers and sisters will not be on par with your half of the Association for a long time. And if I were in your shoes, I would would probably be exactly like you, a "IGM" Association brother.

I only have 2 siblings and neither are in the association (hey Bob I need a winner from you on this one)

 

[swamt]

Wrong Give me this contract plus 2% a year until I retire I'd be fine. I have a good medical plan and great scope I can live with 7 holidays and 5 weeks vacation and what the company puts towards my retirement is fine it's not their fault that the plan is Fkd up. How do you preach to another airline when you have 2500 AMTs for like 700 jets? Take care of your own house first

IGM huh? So sad to hear. While others on your same BK contract are suffering you like and are ok with what you got. The perfect IGM example. You sir, are pathetic. I will let your own co-workers handle this one.

And that's exactly the IAM's mentality. And that's exactly why the Association is Fkd up. And that's exactly why we don't have a contract yet. And that's exactly why your TWU brothers and sisters will not be on par with your half of the Association for a long time. And if I were in your shoes, I would would probably be exactly like you, a "IGM" Association brother.

Yup.

 

[1AA]

You know what happens when you take that $60 screwdriver and eat the company's food on AMT day?

You become an Albert.
So sad. In all fairness we make our own decisions in life. Sometimes they are good ones and sometimes they are not so good with consiquences. Solidarity will never exist with the I.G.M. mentality.

 

[conehead777]

Wrong Give me this contract plus 2% a year until I retire I'd be fine. I have a good medical plan and great scope I can live with 7 holidays and 5 weeks vacation and what the company puts towards my retirement is fine it's not their fault that the plan is Fkd up. How do you preach to another airline when you have 2500 AMTs for like 700 jets? Take care of your own house first

Well I know your so afraid of losing your us insurance. What do you mean it's not the company's fault on the pension they made a commitment when they signed a binding contract for what the pension would be they did not live up to there side of it . They filed bk and us gave your pension to the pbgc. LAA froze there's in sham bk.

 

[Rogallo]

 

[WeAAsles]

And that's exactly the IAM's mentality. And that's exactly why the Association is Fkd up. And that's exactly why we don't have a contract yet. And that's exactly why your TWU brothers and sisters will not be on par with your half of the Association for a long time. And if I were in your shoes, I would would probably be exactly like you, a "IGM" Association brother.

Not to defend Al here since he's a big boy and can take care of himself but he did say that "he" is ok with the contract "he" has right now.

It just seems to me that Al (One guy) doesn't feel the need to chase the tail of the dog and nit pick what others in the industry have or don't have compared to him?

It didn't appear at least to me that he was saying Ha Ha, IGM and you don't.

The only part where I wouldn't agree with him myself is to necessarily be locked in to only 2% per year for the rest of my career. (But Al is older than me) You never know if in the next few years inflation could take off like a rocket?

 

[Birdman]

So the LUS guys have 7 holidays a year? The LAA guys have had only 5 for the last 14 years. That alone equates to an over $20,000 giveback that a compAAny awash in profits continues to pocket. It seems the ASSociation turned a blind eye to this disparity from the start.

 

[WeAAsles]

So the LUS guys have 7 holidays a year? The LAA guys have had only 5 for the last 14 years. That alone equates to an over $20,000 giveback that a compAAny awash in profits continues to pocket. It seems the ASSociation turned a blind eye to this disparity from the start.

No blind eye. You can't FORCE the Company to just arbitrarily cherry pick each contract and bestow improvements on each side where someone thinks there's a disparity.

And not to give the Company just a simple free pass but they did (despite the reasoning) just give us dramatic wage increases that we've been waiting on and wanting for a very long time.

I know, I know. 2003, I know.

 

[CremaDiLimone]

Not to defend Al here since he's a big boy and can take care of himself but he did say that "he" is ok with the contract "he" has right now.

It just seems to me that Al (One guy) doesn't feel the need to chase the tail of the dog and nit pick what others in the industry have or don't have compared to him?

It didn't appear at least to me that he was saying Ha Ha, IGM and you don't.

The only part where I wouldn't agree with him myself is to necessarily be locked in to only 2% per year for the rest of my career. (But Al is older than me) You never know if in the next few years inflation could take off like a rocket?

to me, this does reek of selfishness...the same you accused me of with the company seniority/javitz nonsense. an issue the frightened twu ignored to hastily form the association with happily bemused iam.

if anything, i applaud albert for being honest...i understand. what irritates is when the lus posters pretend they weren't making $19+/hr pre-merger...and try to muddy the waters with "we all benefited". sure, that is true..but some have benefited more.

up to this point in time, less have benefited more than most working for this combined company. going forward, less will benefit seniority-wise, despite a stronger company (aa) historical flow-chart for seniority-rejected former eagle, amr, fuelers, building cleaners, cabin cleaners. title this, title that, etc..etc.

when i say combined, i don't mean the current 'going for great' company was built on 50% aa and 50% us air. you can't quantify what laa and lus brought to the table to form this new aa..but i guarantee you it wasn't 50-50. fscs benefiting from the merger also hasn't been 50-50..the percentages are disproportionate.

this is a gripe for many.

 

[Albert]

Not to defend Al here since he's a big boy and can take care of himself but he did say that "he" is ok with the contract "he" has right now.

It just seems to me that Al (One guy) doesn't feel the need to chase the tail of the dog and nit pick what others in the industry have or don't have compared to him?

It didn't appear at least to me that he was saying Ha Ha, IGM and you don't.

The only part where I wouldn't agree with him myself is to necessarily be locked in to only 2% per year for the rest of my career. (But Al is older than me) You never know if in the next few years inflation could take off like a rocket?

Thanks Weez some people on here get my point some don't . I think I'm outnumbered by the AA guys. I fully understand the AMTs wanting a contract ASAP they will be getting hefty raises, but our guys? If this drags out until after our September raises we will see what a .0004% raise and 55 cent differential if you work nights. To me why would I or any LUS guy want to give up our scope or medical for that. If that is IGM I can say what the LAA posters on here want is IGM also. As far as SWAMT he has a right to post but he's got a huge set of balls considering his contact status and the amount his union allows outsourced for some reason the LAA AMTs are blind to this

 

[Albert]

to me, this does reek of selfishness...the same you accused me of with the company seniority/javitz nonsense. an issue the frightened twu ignored to hastily form the association with happily bemused iam.

if anything, i applaud albert for being honest...i understand. what irritates is when the lus posters pretend they weren't making $19+/hr pre-merger...and try to muddy the waters with "we all benefited". sure, that is true..but some have benefited more.

up to this point in time, less have benefited more than most working for this combined company. going forward, less will benefit seniority-wise, despite a stronger company (aa) historical flow-chart for seniority-rejected former eagle, amr, fuelers, building cleaners, cabin cleaners. title this, title that, etc..etc.

when i say combined, i don't mean the current 'going for great' company was built on 50% aa and 50% us air. you can't quantify what laa and lus brought to the table to form this new aa..but i guarantee you it wasn't 50-50. fscs benefiting from the merger also hasn't been 50-50..the percentages are disproportionate.

this is a gripe for many.

We can point fingers AA/US TWU/IAM all day long. We did both benefit.You think that everyone from LUS should feel indebted to LAA people? The fact that AA had a better route structure really has nothing to do with the union employees

 

[CremaDiLimone]

The fact that AA had a better route structure really has nothing to do with the union employees

but it has all to do with you making $30+/hr today.

 

[Albert]

to me, this does reek of selfishness...the same you accused me of with the company seniority/javitz nonsense. an issue the frightened twu ignored to hastily form the association with happily bemused iam.

if anything, i applaud albert for being honest...i understand. what irritates is when the lus posters pretend they weren't making $19+/hr pre-merger...and try to muddy the waters with "we all benefited". sure, that is true..but some have benefited more.

up to this point in time, less have benefited more than most working for this combined company. going forward, less will benefit seniority-wise, despite a stronger company (aa) historical flow-chart for seniority-rejected former eagle, amr, fuelers, building cleaners, cabin cleaners. title this, title that, etc..etc.

when i say combined, i don't mean the current 'going for great' company was built on 50% aa and 50% us air. you can't quantify what laa and lus brought to the table to form this new aa..but i guarantee you it wasn't 50-50. fscs benefiting from the merger also hasn't been 50-50..the percentages are disproportionate.

this is a gripe for many.

By the way creme we were at $20 and change the merger brought us up to $24 and change and then the president of Delta Airlines brought us up to $30.17. You were in bankruptcy your lucky we didn't TWA your butt

 

[swamt]

Thanks Weez some people on here get my point some don't . I think I'm outnumbered by the AA guys. I fully understand the AMTs wanting a contract ASAP they will be getting hefty raises, but our guys? If this drags out until after our September raises we will see what a .0004% raise and 55 cent differential if you work nights. To me why would I or any LUS guy want to give up our scope or medical for that. If that is IGM I can say what the LAA posters on here want is IGM also. As far as SWAMT he has a right to post but he's got a huge set of balls considering his contact status and the amount his union allows outsourced for some reason the LAA AMTs are blind to this

What you do not understand, as well as your twin there is, my union is not caving into the demands of the company like your union has for the last several decades. Our union is standing up to the company and not just throwing the membership under the bus by trying to "feel out" the membership on where they are, that's not how this union works. My current union is NOT the union that allowed the amount of outsourcing that is currently done at SWA. It was in fact the teamsters and, drum roll please, the IAM who agreed to the 70-75% outsourcing. AMFA is the current union that inherited previous agreed to outsourcing, and AMFA has been bringing in work for the last 10 years. AMFA has doubled our heavy maint lines in Dallas, and are currently trying to add a 5th line and maybe even more (see contract update #56). Nice try but you might want to educate yourself a little before spouting off. AMFA has actually done the exact opposite of what you suggest since being at SWA. The LAA AMTS are blind to anything. They simply know more than you do about what is going on with us. LAA mechanics have told AMFA that they know more about what is going on with our contract negotiations than they know what is going on with their negotiations, and we are under a gag order by the NMB mediators. Imagine that. Now that is what is sad...

 

[Albert]

but it has all to do with you making $30+/hr today.

You think LAA stand alone would be making $30 with the company prospering? Well there are a lot of analysts who would disagree with you. Honestly all kidding aside it really is water under the bridge we are what we are. If you think I'm being selfish or in your mind ungrateful so be it