Who is Tired of the east constant negativity

US will be lumped together with companies like Bethlehem Steel, the entire US clothing and shoe industry and the US consumer electronics industry (just to name a few) as examples of companies whose employees failed to adapt to massive changes in the marketplace. For many who held tight to their delusions, it was 1955 right up until they closed the doors at the Bethlehem Steel plant in the 1990's.

So complain and resist and dig in your heels and you will be rewarded with the shuttering of the airline. Or see things as they really are and realize that everyone is starting at year 1 with a new airline that has an old name. No one deserves or is entitled to any more that what they bring and produce. Seniority- 10 years? 20 years? 30 years? It really means very little because that money and lifestyle is gone. Your pride will not depend on the past but what you do with the present and the future.

I think the unions will find that their tactics will backfire and cause so much financial harm to the airline, that any mediator will favor the recuperation of the health of an airline over the demands for higher wages and benefits. Realistically, getting the merger completed and moving forward with as little cash burn as possible (the present strategy, apparently) is the only way to put the airline in a position where it can pay reasonable wage increases. Asking it to agree to higher costs in the future while remaining uncooperative in the name of motivating the negotiating progress is ridiculous. Prove what you are worth and you'll have paved the path of negotiating to that figure.

When investors like PAR get fed up with what they see as unsolvable labor issues and take their money, it has to be a wake up call for those who feel they can use their negativity to their advantage. Labor is a huge issue and new money will not come to US simply as a result of buying temporary peace and increasing their operating costs. It will come when all US employees commit to providing excellence in everything they do and inspire investor confidence in US as a winning airline.

Failing that, there's no shortage of airplane parking spaces in the desert.

AWA claim to fame... bankrupt early 80 s. given a second life.. year 2000 nearly closed down by FAA due maintenance issues.. route structure downsized due to this. post 9/11 asks for ATSB funding othewise will shut down. makes national news.. losing unaccompanied minors off flights due computer system not knowing who is onboard.. merger time with US.. we do not take unaccompained minors on connecting flights.. we tend to lose them.. Alzheimers passenger walking outside of SFO airport family cannot find him.. he is on AWA.. why they lost him.. the computer cant tell anyone who is onboard.. merges with major airline.. 2005.. retains USAirways name.. BOD and stockholders know its a better brand name.. atleast better of two evils .. i guess. year 2007 company gets kick back from regional high school computer class who says SHARES is better because it will show you all the Southwest flights before US flights in availability and it will cost less.. no one will notice... oh yeah AWA .. a very large REGIONAL AIRLINE trying to make the big leagues... HEH wake up.. you dont just fly PHX-LAS anymore.. sorry about your senority.. deal with it.. your in he majors now..
What color is the sky in your world? Virtually nothing in this post is correct. Try again.
 
How wrong you are...LUVN737S. How right he was Avion.


Operationally..we're a lot worse than their admitting.
 
Third... Looking at your Name tells me you are a pilot... That alone tells me you are an arogant SOB. That aside... once the fence is lifted...you my friend will be heading to LGA.. for some nice east coast flying... you see your junior ass won't be able to hold a position in PHX... Pity

Just my opinion...

You and most of the East pilots may not know the difference between seniority and longevity but the arbitrator does. It's not going to go DOH.

You're just a lowlife trying to justify stealing a West employee's job.
 
Yep, Piney you're up there on that cross. How do you pound the last nail in by yourself? Do you have to hold the hammer in your teeth?

LOL I love it..Yes I am sure he could and would and let the whole world know too...."Look at me, look at me"
 
You and most of the East pilots may not know the difference between seniority and longevity but the arbitrator does. It's not going to go DOH.

You're just a lowlife trying to justify stealing a West employee's job.

Tell me traderjake, exactly how fair it is for a 4 yr captain to bump a 20 yr captain out of his seat? Truth...You can't handle the truth...
Go drink more of DP's Koolaid...

Just my opinion...
 
Piney-
I lived many years in the Lehigh Valley. My daughter was born in downtown Allentown. There's not much you can tell me about the decline of these industries.

The entitlement attitude sown by many in the rust belt has borne a bitter harvest and is evidenced by the massive flight of people to areas with more opportunity. The culture of the west is less "poor-me" and more "can-do". I don't think Parker fully appreciated this prior to the merger (more like a shot with an operational tranquilizer gun) but I'd bet he appreciates it now.
 
Amen Piney! I've never understood paradoxical people. How can you rationalize with poor people that vote Republican, pro-life zealots that are pro-war, gay Republicans, 9% of the population that approves of Dick Cheney, war mongering draft-dodgers, union-member Company hacks, misogynistic OBGYNs, Ellen Jamesian auctioneers?

Some people cannot be reasoned with.
 
AWA claim to fame... bankrupt early 80 s. given a second life.. year 2000 nearly closed down by FAA due maintenance issues.. route structure downsized due to this. post 9/11 asks for ATSB funding othewise will shut down. makes national news.. losing unaccompanied minors off flights due computer system not knowing who is onboard.. merger time with US.. we do not take unaccompained minors on connecting flights.. we tend to lose them.. Alzheimers passenger walking outside of SFO airport family cannot find him.. he is on AWA.. why they lost him.. the computer cant tell anyone who is onboard.. merges with major airline.. 2005.. retains USAirways name.. BOD and stockholders know its a better brand name.. atleast better of two evils .. i guess. year 2007 company gets kick back from regional high school computer class who says SHARES is better because it will show you all the Southwest flights before US flights in availability and it will cost less.. no one will notice... oh yeah AWA .. a very large REGIONAL AIRLINE trying to make the big leagues... HEH wake up.. you dont just fly PHX-LAS anymore.. sorry about your senority.. deal with it.. your in he majors now..

I believe AWA's greatest legacy over those twenty years by itself: not a single fatality.
 
There's this:

Or see things as they really are and realize that everyone is starting at year 1 with a new airline that has an old name. No one deserves or is entitled to any more that what they bring and produce.

And then there's this:

Seniority- 10 years? 20 years? 30 years? It really means very little because that money and lifestyle is gone. Your pride will not depend on the past but what you do with the present and the future.

Maybe it's me, but the two fragments in boldface contradict each other. I'm pretty sure that those people who have been here longer have produced far more than those that have been here a much shorter time.

So, which is it? Are they entitled to more because they produced more, or has all of their past contribution merely evaporated into the ether?

I say seniority means a great deal, and without most of those 10,20,30 year employees around to take care of business, there would be no airline. The entitlement that is spoken of is one of the many fruits of labor. We work, company makes profit, we get paid. A very simple, linear cause and effect scenario. Seems appropriate to me.

And since no one challenged anything I wrote in my previous post, can I assume then that there is no argument against my view of Parker's propaganda?
 
Tell me traderjake, exactly how fair it is for a 4 yr captain to bump a 20 yr captain out of his seat? Truth...You can't handle the truth...
Go drink more of DP's Koolaid...

Just my opinion...

Dude! What 20 year captains? Guys with 20 years are still co-pilots; the lowest paid in the industry.

BTW, westies, I didn't sign up for this, I was hired by a great airline - PSA futher west than you Zonies.
We got gobbled up by U years ago and I've been stuck in the belly of the beast ever since.
 
Dude! What 20 year captains? Guys with 20 years are still co-pilots; the lowest paid in the industry.

BTW, westies, I didn't sign up for this, I was hired by a great airline - PSA futher west than you Zonies.
We got gobbled up by U years ago and I've been stuck in the belly of the beast ever since.

It was a metaphor Bluey...

Just my opinion...
 

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