Whining Furloughees

[TWAnr]

In watching MiAAmi post for some time, I do not believe s/he can empathsize with anyone who has issues different than his/her own.

Doctor, is that a clinical diagnosis?

 

[N905TW]

MiAAmi writes:

L1011 has stated that AA'ers stole TWA jobs

Sorry to be the one to point this out to you, but AA'ers DID steal TWA jobs... and made a grab to take as much as they could. If you differ with this opinion, thats fine, but please tell me where the TWA crews are that brought the MD80s and B757s to the combined airline? What? Oh thats right, YOU and your union cronies kicked most of our pilots and all of our F/As to the street, and then stole contractual pay to screw them even more.

Is it realistic to expect that all TWA'ers that came to the combined airline be on the payroll with the downsizing that has occured? No.

Is it reasonable to expect that nearly 100% of the TWA'ers would be kicked to the street when OUR airplanes still fly for the combined airline? NO.

Next time you pass through your DFW or MIA hub, please take a moment to look around, and just remember that for each TW registered aircraft at the gate, there are jobs that were stolen and people who have no paycheck because of your greed.

Next time you fly a TWA MD80 or 757, instead of bitching about our cockpit differences or the smaller F/C coat closet, think of the people who belong with that aircraft, and how miserable you have made them.

I'm sorry, but N905TW, N909TW, N705TW, N720TW, N984TW, and our other 100 or so aircraft are assets last time I checked, and they are assets that we brought to the combined carrier.

I am not a lawyer, or a Judge, but how much clearer do you need for it to be to realize what you have done?

Is it possible for you to think about someone other than yourself, or at least make an attempt?

 

[LGA Fleet Service]

I was furloughed when BN declared BK and not only did I not recieve furlough pay I did not even recieve my last check.

Big difference between your employer going belly up and not getting furlough pay when you get laid off,especially if it was contractual language only recently changed to shaft the furloughed employees.

Amazing how scared you people are of what... 4,000 middle aged men and women?

I work with former TWA folks everyday, and contrary to popular belief they really aren't that different from you or I.They are normal people just like everyone else, get over it already.

 

[Flyboy4u]

For Flyboy to say that he paid his dues and should be guaranteed furlough pay because he paid dues for 4 or 5 yrs doesnt fly with me.

Miammi....

Do you know what a contract is? It's a legal binding agreement between two parties. Under the contract the furlough pay is contractually MINE. You can disagree all you want but the facts are as they are. Yes, under the RPA that furlough pay was given away. However, even the RPA is under dispute abour whether or not it was legal. Pending the outcome of that case, and the vote that ensued over the RPA will decide how much further I can proceed with my case.

[/QUOTE]One poster suggested that he/she did not have a choice in paying dues....I have to ask, did you not sign up for that when they said this is what AA is about?

First off, I am the one who suggested it and it wasn't even a choice. Fact of the matter, we were not even told this was the case until the last week of training with AA when the APFA was allowed to present thier information to us new hires. What options did we have at the time? We had already given up out past careers, sold most of our assetts, and spent over 5 weeks in training so esentially there was no option. Also, had I known that the dues arrears list and the possible termination was the joke of a lie that it is today. I would have never given a cent to the APFA. Make NO mistake I won't give them anything else again. I signed up to do a job with AA and my employment record alone with the company proves that I am more than capable and professional in the position I was hired for. I don't need some money hungry "so called" union to protect me from the big/evil AA. If the APFA actually worked like a union and served a purpose, I might think differently. However, I am fairly safe to say most of the membership including those on furlough would agree.

He would rather the people who have paid union dues for 20-30 yrs take an even larger paycut to ease his personal pains when it was those 20-30 yr f/as that negotiated furlough pay for him before he was even considered for the job at all. [/QUOTE]

WHere in any of my posts have I ever stated such a thing? I am thankful for those 20-30 yr f/a's for their accomplishments within the aviation industry. I have always stated that their were many possible options the Union could have looked at to save jobs. A lot of them have been posted on this message board. The fact is, this union never even bothered trying to look for ways to help the company out. It's obvious all they cared about was making sure TWA'ers were not flying. I just happened to be the collateral damage brought upon by the APFA's nasty vengence. What I have said, and will continue to say, is that some F/A's take advantage of the system. Yes, those of you on the line can say that they have Earned the right to drop trips, and call in sick when you are not. I say you were Employed to do a job, and if you are not wanting to do it, then perhaps , you should look elsewhere for something else. It's one thing to drop a trip here and there for personal reasons, but to drop entire schedules month after month is out of line. I actually know of some F/A's who haven't bothered to fly for years. Is that really right under the current circumstances? I don't care how much seniority one has.


Miaami

You are absolutely right to be able to post you opinion on this board. THat is what it is for. However, when your posts get to the point that they involve madeup facts and lies to promote your personal vengence. That is where the line has been crossed.

What Unity?

 

[Light Years]

You people are incredible.

What an awful post.

Fly- we got furlough pay at US. Its not being paid while on furlough, its more like a severance pay. We could also get our vacation pay, and most did, because there's pretty much zero chance of ever returning to mainline (only MAA division).

 

[Flyboy4u]

Light Years


I am glad you got, at least, something for what you are all are going through. We got nothing, and unfortunately some of us may never be able to go back to the mainline as well. This is all the great work of our union. Best of luck to you guys at US. I happen to have had the opportunity to meet some of you guys, and you all are a great group of individuals.

What Unity?

 

[latreal]

get over it already.

lol, that is EXACTLY what i was thinking...but not about miAAmi.
<_<

 

[jsn25911]

lol, that is EXACTLY what i was thinking...but not about miAAmi.
<_<

Lateral - why do you keep harping on it - GET OVER IT!

 

[MiAAmi]

You people are incredible.

What an awful post.

Fly- we got furlough pay at US. Its not being paid while on furlough, its more like a severance pay. We could also get our vacation pay, and most did, because there's pretty much zero chance of ever returning to mainline (only MAA division).

Getting furlough pay when you have zero chance of returning to the job is a little different too. If our furloughees were never going to have a chance to come back then I would be willing to change my opinion on this. Earlier a poster dismissed my experience of losing my job as totally different because my company went belly up. The reason I stated that was to make it clear that I do empathize with the furloughees. I know what its like to be out there with no job no furlough pay no last check and no chance of recall. I feel for everyone out there maybe even more so for the TW'ers since they had more to lose.

 

[twaokc]

MiAAmi,
You are just a bitter little boy/girl, or maybe it should be a IT. When the Twaer's win their lawsuit, lets see how you are going to like it on the street without furlough pay. You will be the first whinning, as you named this topic.

 

[L1011Ret]

N905TW has a good post. The mission for APFA was to protect the seniority of its members as APFA publically stated. That is a function of a union. The TWAers were not represented by APFA at the time. But APFA went way beyond that and took the TWAers jobs and furlough pay. I do not view the APFA leadership as any different than that of Enron, MCI or any of these outfits who protect subgroups of their own at the expense of others. AA was not different in the lies Carty told about protecting executives pensions. Sleeze...

 

[MiAAmi]

MiAAmi,
You are just a bitter little boy/girl, or maybe it should be a IT. When the Twaer's win their lawsuit, lets see how you are going to like it on the street without furlough pay. You will be the first whinning, as you named this topic.

Sounds more like calling the kettle black

 

[SkyLiner]

This topic should have never been created. It was created to insight anger. What did you expect Miaami, what motivates you to "try" and hurt other people? This whole issue is like the Middle East. Each party thinks they are right and both will never budge...until the case is settled.

 

[MiAAmi]

This topic should have never been created. It was created to insight anger. What did you expect Miaami, what motivates you to "try" and hurt other people? This whole issue is like the Middle East. Each party thinks they are right and both will never budge...until the case is settled.

This post was not meant to hurt anyone....if it did I apologize. This post was sort of created as a responce to the tread about whining AA f/a's. I must say if your going to post an opinion on this board you have to be a little thicker skinned because anyone that disagrees with you will stop at nothng to undermine your credibility. I said my peace with this if anyone replies its because they want the tread to continue.

 

[L1011Ret]

The insight that this thread was designed to create anger appears to be on target. "Flame Bait" and you knew exactly what kind of resposes would ensue. You knew there are furloughees both native and TWA that inhabit this forum who were denied furlough pay, you knew that many TWAers suffered a great injustice at the hands of APFA and you knew there are nAAtive F/As here who really struggle with crew rest issues not to mention those who detest JW. You like to provoke them by calling them "whiners" though many of their issues are sufficient to cause legal and political action. It seems you cannot tell the difference between whining and injustice. You are attempting to tell them they should not feel the way they feel about the issues in question because it sounds to you like whining. You like to stir the pot and then criticize what you have stired up. In that sense you are the biggest whiner of them all, whining about the way others feel, something you have managed to invoke in them by your flame bait.