Where Is The Afl-cio?

[AMFAMAN]

Correct me if I am wrong but I was under impression that the reason the Alleghany-Mohawk language was added to the contract was to insure that the merger of the two employee groups could, if required, in up in a binding arbitration process rather than going through a lengthy and expensive legal battle. No one I know put in a proposal to have this language added to the contract, however, there it was and DB was selling it in Tulsa. DB explained that the language was designed to protect the membership. I believe to this day that the idea more than likely came from Art Luby.

[post="269981"][/post]​

I know of many proposals especially prior to the 2001 contract that would protect AAers in the event we purchased another airline or if another airline purchased us. The language by way of the company came back with protecting those who we would purchase. This is really unheard of in terms of merger language and somehow became effective for a merger that took place prior to the contract being ratified.

 

[MCI transplant]

The Letter of Agreement ink is still wet!

Rid MCI of as many old timers as possible through attrition and then throw in some fear about the global unemployment coming, deflect the issues by saying anything about Bush, fuel the fuel issue and yank the pensions. It is only a matter of time.

[post="270007"][/post]​

<_< Buck, Let's not jump the gun here! There's a lot playing out right now in Congress, and with US airways/ AWA. Let's see how this all plays out, and what aa's responce to it will be!!!

 

[Bob Owens]

I believe to this day that the idea more than likely came from Art Luby.

[post="269981"][/post]​

Thats the impression I got too. As far as I can see Art engineered the whole thing, including the 25% deal for some stations. This little ditty had the effect of hitting the two most troublesome spots for the TWU/AA alliance-New York and California.

It also made it so the only places where TWA employees could really go is the two highest cost areas of the country in the event of a layoff. Rolling system protection back to 1998, when TWA employees would only carry 4/10/01, simply ensured that TWA guys were either face the street or NY/CA.

 

[Bob Owens]

<_< Buck--- I agree! the AFL/CIO is no more than a money collecting organization!! With the state of the ecconomy, and labor today, they should be in it with both feet! But arn't!!! :down:

[post="269710"][/post]​

Why would they?

Look at what the AFL-CIO just did. They are doing the same thing the companies are doing. They got rid of a third of their workers. Those that remain will have to work harder while those at the top still collect their six figures.

The fact is that the AFL-CIO is just an extension of unions like the TWU and IAM. A bloated, ineffective beauracracy that does nothing but spout a little rhetoric while sitting back collecting their six figures.

If you were making six figures would you want to change anything?????

 

[MCI transplant]

Thats the impression I got too. As far as I can see Art engineered the whole thing, including the 25% deal for some stations. This little ditty had the effect of hitting the two most troublesome spots for the TWU/AA alliance-New York and California.

It also made it so the only places where TWA employees could really go is the two highest cost areas of the country in the event of a layoff. Rolling system protection back to 1998, when TWA employees would only carry 4/10/01, simply ensured that TWA guys were either face the street or NY/CA.

[post="270558"][/post]​

:angry: And you wonder why the redheaded stepchildren of aa put up such a fuss? With the Company, and their own Union against them, what chance would they have of a "Fair"intergration? I know! I know! Be thankful you got a job!! Well, it seems things were designed to address that! Weren't they???? :down: :down: :down:

 

[Buck]

:angry: And you wonder why the redheaded stepchildren of aa put up such a fuss? With the Company, and their own Union against them, what chance would they have of a "Fair"intergration? I know! I know! Be thankful you got a job!! Well, it seems things were designed to address that! Weren't they???? :down: :down: :down:

[post="270640"][/post]​

Remember: "Be thankful that you got a job" is a TWU slogan....

 

[Bob Owens]

:angry:
I know! I know! Be thankful you got a job!! Well, it seems things were designed to address that! Weren't they???? :down: :down: :down:

[post="270640"][/post]​

Not at all. My response would be why do you guys still support the TWU and why arent you promoting AMFA? After all the OZARK boys did better with integration than you guys did.

 

[MCI transplant]

Not at all. My response would be why do you guys still support the TWU and why arent you promoting AMFA? After all the OZARK boys did better with integration than you guys did.

[post="270657"][/post]​

<_< Yep! They were dovetailed, after Uncle Carl tried to stapel them to the bottom of our Senority list, and create a "B" scale wage!!!Check it out!!!!

 

[Bob Owens]

<_< Yep! They were dovetailed, after Uncle Carl tried to stapel them to the bottom of our Senority list, and create a "B" scale wage!!!Check it out!!!!

[post="270703"][/post]​

Who had a higher top wage Ozark or TWA?

Oh by the way Uncle Carl was merely trying to copy what the TWU/AA team did. The TWU introduced B-scale in 1983, along with Part Timers, the loss of the paid lunch-8.5 hr day for 8 hrs pay, R&D to Fleet Service, no health benifits for 1 year, straight time pay for training after or before your 8 hour shift etc.

What year did Ichann try to put in B-scale at TWA?

 

[aafsc]

:angry: And you wonder why the redheaded stepchildren of aa put up such a fuss? With the Company, and their own Union against them, what chance would they have of a "Fair"intergration? I know! I know! Be thankful you got a job!! Well, it seems things were designed to address that! Weren't they???? :down: :down: :down:

[post="270640"][/post]​

Don't you think the arbitrator (Kasher) had something to do with the "fair integration"?

 

[Buck]

Don't you think the arbitrator (Kasher) had something to do with the "fair integration"?

[post="270744"][/post]​

AirCal was Dovetailed!

 

[aafsc]

AirCal was Dovetailed!

[post="270839"][/post]​

Was it the result of an arbitration?

 

[MCI transplant]

Who had a higher top wage Ozark or TWA?

Oh by the way Uncle Carl was merely trying to copy what the TWU/AA team did. The TWU introduced B-scale in 1983, along with Part Timers, the loss of the paid lunch-8.5 hr day for 8 hrs pay, R&D to Fleet Service, no health benifits for 1 year, straight time pay for training after or before your 8 hour shift etc.

What year did Ichann try to put in B-scale at TWA?

[post="270706"][/post]​

<_< What year did TWA buy Ozark? You've been saying how the AMFA saved Ozark, when in fact it had nothing to due with it!!!! Now I'm not an IAM fan, but the fact of the matter is, the first check the Ozark people got from Icahn was for $12 & change @HR. , or "B" scale! It was the TWA people (IAM) that dovetailed them! And got them "A" scale wages! That's after the buyout was a done deal! And that's a fact!!!

 

[MCI transplant]

Don't you think the arbitrator (Kasher) had something to do with the "fair integration"?

[post="270744"][/post]​

<_< Frankly aa, I feel Kasher's hands were tied by a contract that was disigned to screw the exTWA employee!!!And still is!!!!!!

 

[Hopeful]

<_< Frankly aa, I feel Kasher's hands were tied by a contract that was disigned to screw the exTWA employee!!!And still is!!!!!!

[post="270904"][/post]​

MCI, both unions agreed to binding arbitration. Kasher ruled!

That's the end all.

But you still have your lawsuit going, eh?

This new ruling by the Supreme Court is very important to former TWA employees.

Please use this link to understand why and what you can now do. Click Here



Civil Suit Information!

Here are the important dates of the schedule:

March 28 List of all witnesses due
May 1 Discovery completed
June 1 Dispositive Motions filed
Oct 11 Proposed joint final pretrial order filed
Oct 17 Joint final pretrial conference
Nov 7 Trial ( Jury )




Attn: Former TWA Employees who are now AA employees (Titles 1-5)

Re: Update on Lawsuit against AA/TWU and what we can do to support our case!

The case is proceeding through the discovery phase with our goal of proving to the court that our case has merit and should overcome AA/TWU's attempt to dismiss. Attorney is requesting that our case be certified as a "class action". Since the Title Groups have different collective bargaining agreements and the plaintiff in this particular case is a Title Ill (Fleet Service Clerk), legally the "class action" can only cover Title Ill.
However, rest assured, if we are successful, this case will serve as a "precedent", and AA/TWU no doubt will have to honor and apply it to all Title Groups!

Although there are no guarantees in the legal system, hopefully justice will prevail in our behalf. In the meantime, there are a few important things we all can do to help our cause.

1. If on the pay roll, you can file an Article 13 seniority Protest form since the Feb.
15, 2005 updated master seniority list in several locations place former TWA employees in IMPROPER sequence with an incorrect system wide seniority number. (See Jetnet - Policy and Procedures - People Reduction - TWU Seniority List - Must file by April 15, 2005.)

2. All Title Groups, whether on payroll or laid off can write a brief, respectful, letter to AA/TWU headquarters, requesting that they reconsider their position and honor our collective bargaining agreement rights. (Example and addresses will follow.)

In response to requests for donations to defer the legal expenses in our case, in the future we may announce an appropriate donation arrangement for those who wish to contribute.
As mentioned previously, there will be no obligation to do so.

Any future information of significance will be forthcoming. Thank you for you attention and support.

Former TWA employees vs. AA/TWU

Example of Letter: (May use your own wording)

I request that you reconsider your position and begin to honor the collective bargaining agreement rights of former TWA employees who are now AA employees (Titles I -5), covered by existing AA/TWU collective bargaining agreements. These rights include relocating to another station without having our occupational seniority reduced, "system protection", including collecting the special moving allowance of $12,500 (if seniority guidelines are met), and the right to be properly placed and numbered on the master seniority list. In doing so you will be "DOING THE RIGHT THING.", and will bring an end to the emotional and financial hardships endured by affected employees. Thank you.

TWU - Names

James C. Little Air Transport Director - TWU . International Vice President

Art Luby TWU Legal Counsel

TWU Addresses

Transport Workers Union of America 1791 Hurstview Dr.
Hurst, TX 76054

AA - Names

Gerald Arpey AA Chairman, Pres. And CEO

James Weel AA Directing Mgr. of Employee Relations

Gary Kennedy AA SVP and Gen!. Counsel (Chief Compliance OfficerBusiness Ethnics)

Jeffrey Brundage, AA SVP - Human Resources

Robin Dotson AA Managing Dir. Of Human Resources

AA - Addresses

Mailing Address:
American Airlines, Inc.
P. O. Box 619616 DFW Airport, TX 75261-9616

Physical Address:
American Airlines, Inc.
4333 Amon Carter Blvd.
Ft. Worth, TX 76155

NOTE: You can also personally deliver or send letter to your local station manager and union


Attention: Former TWA Airline Mechanics, Plant Maintenance, Stock Clerks, Ground Service, and Fleet Service Clerks (Titles 1, 2, 3, 4, 5)

Re: Major Layoffs in STL, MCIE, and possibly other locations.

American Airlines and the Transport Workers Union of America have not upheld your rights as set forth in the April 15, 2003, AA/TWU Collective Bargaining Agreement. If you are affected by a Reduction-in-Force, you should have the following rights:

1. "Bump" into another station with your established occupational seniority without having your seniority reduced Art.10e (Titles 1,2) Art.10d (Titles 3,4,5) Art 14a (All Titles)

2. System Protection, including the "special moving allowance" of $12,500 (if seniority guidelines are met for your Title Group) Arts. 42 and 44.

3. The right to be properly blended into the master system and station seniority lists.

Please note that in several stations former TWA employees are placed and numbered in incorrect sequence. This is a serious violation because if there is a future reduction in force, the company may lay off such employees in improper sequence! Also, some employees may be incorrectly targeted for displacement on the juniority list by incoming "bumping" employees.

Remember that you have the right to file a grievance to protest such violations and also you can notify AA Business Ethics (817-967-6923) to voice your concern since these violations are discriminatory and directed only toward former TWA employees. The incorrect seniority lists may constitute a "falsification of company records". Check Jet Net for your station list! Also, report any harassment by any company or union representative directed toward you because of being a former TWA employee or for desiring to initiate a grievance.

A former TWA Fleet Service Clerk has filed a civil lawsuit against AA and TWU regarding these violations. The attorney says that this case has merit and can become a "class action" if enough employees express interest. This lawsuit will attempt to cover "similarly situated employees" who were former TWA employees (now AA Title Groups 1-5) and that are covered by AA/TWU collective bargaining agreements and who were awarded their AA occupational seniority per the Kasher Seniority Arbitration Award of April 29, 2002.

Consequently, if you are interested you can access this website to leave your information which will be forwarded to the attorney. (no money or obligation required)
Also, the website will educate you on the several violations involved and the pertinent Articles of the Collective Bargaining Agreement and important statements by Arbitrator Kasher that support and uphold our rights!

Thank you


For those employees who were unable to get the Employee Relocation Expense Statement so that they may file for the $12,500.00 that they are entitled to, here is a copy. Please print it and file it. If your new Manager of Supervisor refuses to sign it file a grievance immediately.

Any employee who has worked at Lambert should read this

I have just spoken to Denise Brock (636-366-4428). If anyone has suffered from cancer or skin cancer. Please call her or email her DBrock@alwayson-line.net . I have a link to her site as well. http://www.unww.info

The Energy Employees Occupational Illness Compensation Program Act became effective July 31, 2001 that provides for a lump-sum payment of $150,000 and payment of medical expenses to workers, former workers and subcontractors who became ill as a result of their exposure to radiation, beryllium, or silica. Conditions covered under this program are: radiogenic cancers, beryllium diseases and chronic silicosis.

These chemicals were buried at St. Louis Airport Site (SLAPS). This is the fumes that are coming up through the ground grates on the ramp in concourse D. St Louis City officials have known about this and have ignored your health. She is meeting with the attorneys soon so please contact her ASAP. This would include airline employees and Dobbs workers.


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One person alone can not win the war.