What the deal AMP

[TWU informer]

Wow Hackman, I see little has changed with your biosychosocial order. Welcome back, been a long time....

What an answer, you should get into TWU Politics, get some yard signs made and jump in and swim. Might at least get something in return for your dues.

 

[Hackman]

Wow Hackman, I see little has changed with your biosychosocial order. Welcome back, been a long time....

Thank you Speedy. However any perceived psychosis on my part by you is laughable. Which by definition is a general term used to describe a mental state as involving a "loss of contact with reality, hallucinations, delusions, and impaired insight".

I think to continue being a true TWu wanna believer like yourself does in fact qualify as I described above.

Now, I must return to my favorite Looney Tunes cartoon as Wile E. Coyote has a another TNT bomb for the Roadrunner. Take care.

 

[frontline]

hackman if you are what AMP is about good luck.I'm guessing you are some of that dead weight around AA, you want yours but want to do nothing for it.

Don't mind old Hackjob, he has nothing better to do that come on here and try to stir up trouble. God forbid he actually do some work!!

If we have an election I want a "no representation" option on the ballott. They're all crooks and thieves and have done nothing for us! We need to be like Delta and "just say no".

 

[paul1]

you may be right frontline. even at the local level the twu is a joke. When the contract was rejected, I asked when are we going to have a membership meeting to discuss the contract. I was told by my VP not to worry, gilboy knows what I want. If theres something else you can email him.

Plus I bet we see alot of dead weight learning how to accomplish there job!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! without bitching for 30 min to complete a 5min task

 

[Bob Owens]

If we have an election I want a "no representation" option on the ballott. They're all crooks and thieves and have done nothing for us! We need to be like Delta and "just say no".

Is anyone suprised with that coming from him???

 

[Hackman]

Don't mind old Hackjob, he has nothing better to do that come on here and try to stir up trouble. God forbid he actually do some work!!

If we have an election I want a "no representation" option on the ballott. They're all crooks and thieves and have done nothing for us! We need to be like Delta and "just say no".

Stir up trouble? Not me, just calling it like it is. Don't worry flatline, I'm sure the boss man will be along shortly to give you your daily Gold Star for your "professional services" rendered and your next assignment to save our ailing airline. Thanks for setting the example we all need to follow, you simply are THE best ever.

There is a "no representation " position for you, if your not there already.

In addition, if god forbid the TWu calls for a job action, who's side will you be on? I think we all know that answer, don't we.

 

[Hackman]

you may be right frontline. even at the local level the twu is a joke. When the contract was rejected, I asked when are we going to have a membership meeting to discuss the contract. I was told by my VP not to worry, gilboy knows what I want. If theres something else you can email him.

Plus I bet we see alot of dead weight learning how to accomplish there job!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! without bitching for 30 min to complete a 5min task

Another "Master Of The AAirline Toolbox"....does ORD need any AMT's other than yourself??? Surely not.

Is your toolbox the one with the fresh coat of wax? Simply brilliant I say, bravo. Keep up the superior job pauly, we are all counting on you to get us through this difficult time. Gold Star award for you too.

 

[787nightmare]

So Speedy, "the will of the people" or the "the radical NO voters" as the TWu Goo Gobblers call them, will actually be heard as a first in twu negotiations this time around??? Well now, that will be some kind of big change for the wealthy and flaccid dictatorship of TWu unelected international sellouts. Listening to the will of the membership instead of the what the company demands from it's TWu company union friends??? We'd all like it so.... the TWu International finally gets out of AA's bed, but we all know that will never happen any time soon. Don't we?

Have the TWu International actually prepared a coherent (compiled while not intoxicated off free AA booze) non-concessional proposal this time around? You know, instead of letting the company dictate what is proposed as acceptable (concessions ala carte). With the last TWu sellout that was shot down in flames this summer.....the one the TWu International touted in their "Flier of Lies" with the contract ballot. The TWu International has had the negotiations/contract road plowed for them again with the CAL AMT's (like in 2001 with AMFA at NWA) recently accepting a somewhat decent contract. Shouldn't be so hard for Phat Don....right?

With the TWu "Americans Real Strength" heading back to the table with a stern and serious look on their face for AA management to snicker at, we should now be simply in AWE this time at the TWu prowess at the bargaining table after almost 3 years of negotiations??? I'm mean really, AA recently GAVE the agents fairly close to what the TWu has wrought in the failed T/A after that "long and frustrating" 3 years of TWu negotiations. Industrial/company unionism at it's best I say. The agents didn't even get a lower classification to further degrade them, but we did with the TWu. Damn good.

You want the AMP drive to "fall by the wayside"? You mean without lying to the NMB about craft and class to deny the vote??? I guess then we can all expect the TWu to negotiate that Industry Leading Contract or "IRC" as they have in 2001? 2003? No? Oh wait... 1995? No? Was it in 1989? Hell, I can't remember when the TWu didn't sellout their membership to concessions at AA. Maybe you can enlighten us all on that with some TWu spin. That really sucks fer ya Speedy, I feel your pain. Literally.

Here's my Official Vote of No Confidence in the TWu International; bringing back nothing but more concessions....again.

1. The TWu International will not bring back anything close to CAL, let alone the leaders of the industry. That is: SWA and AMFA and $45+hr (that's gotta burn ya).

2. The AMP drive will continue as planned because of the TWu sellouts/unaccountable International/failed negotiations will not change. The cards will get filed at the NMB. The worthless TWu will finally be out the door.

3. Many in the current TWu International will then be at the Centerpork location for their new "careers" after the TWu decertification, to join their friends in AA management (including many former TWu officers).

4. Michael J. Quill will roll over in his grave thinking his union has finally hit the bottom. The TWu will amend Mikes' quote used in the 2010 T/A Ballot Liar Flier to; "We have learned that a labor union is not a gambling table, it is not a bingo game where you hit the jackpot once in a life time. With TWu representation, you never have to worry about hitting that jackpot...except for us in the unelected TWu International."

5. Speedy will give up all his TWu t-shirts to the bums over in the North Side of Tulsa.... and the bums won't accept them.

I love it man!

Right up until the smile leaves my face...as I realize it's all true. <_<

 

[787nightmare]

Don't mind old Hackjob, he has nothing better to do that come on here and try to stir up trouble. God forbid he actually do some work!!

If we have an election I want a "no representation" option on the ballott. They're all crooks and thieves and have done nothing for us! We need to be like Delta and "just say no".

Yeah...just say "no"...and get what they feel is adequate for you...when they get damn good and ready to give it to you.
Hint...you won't like it.

 

[787nightmare]

"So Speedy, "the will of the people" or the "the radical NO voters"...Hackman

The audacity of the AA informed & educated...to demand more from the TWU "negotiations"....
you guys have some gall...

 

[Hackman]

"So Speedy, "the will of the people" or the "the radical NO voters"...Hackman

The audacity of the AA informed & educated...to demand more from the TWU "negotiations"....
you guys have some gall...

Shhhhh.... your suppose to be a good sheep in the TWu. Baaaa....Baaaaa..... No questioning the omnipotent TWu International. Phat Don already has his corner office picked out at Centerpork after the next sellout.....just wait.

 

[Duke787]

Is anyone suprised with that coming from him???

Well Bob, if you can negotiate something more then what the company was giving to the agents, we might have some faith in the unions. I hope you can do better this time around instead of just complaining about the other negotiators.

IS ANYBODY SURPRISED AT OUR ATTITUDES TOWARD THE TWU!!!!


If someone has a different opinion other then yours, it doesn't make him wrong, try not to be so arrogent it doesn't become an elected official.

 

[Bob Owens]

Well Bob, if you can negotiate something more then what the company was giving to the agents, we might have some faith in the unions. I hope you can do better this time around instead of just complaining about the other negotiators.

IS ANYBODY SURPRISED AT OUR ATTITUDES TOWARD THE TWU!!!!


If someone has a different opinion other then yours, it doesn't make him wrong, try not to be so arrogent it doesn't become an elected official.

Arrogant? I'm obviuosly not the only one on this thread that thinks the guy is management. Would you really like to be dealing with this company with no union at all as he advocates? You think the gate agents have a good deal? Split shifts, part time, dealing with passengers, no union protection. I've yet to see any mechanics quit and become gate agents. They gave them what they did because the job is so demanding they cant keep anybody. Oh yes, thats right, you advocated a YES vote so we know what you are willing to accept. Then you wonder why the company takes such a hard line and blame the Union. I'm the first to admit that we haven't done things right but just as the TWU needs to change we need the support of people on the floor. If the company feels that the majority of the people are ike you and willing to accept more concessions in exchange for a few crumbs then it doesnt matter who the negotiators are or what they say at the table. Fortunately the majority isnt like you.

 

[TWU informer]

If we have an election I want a "no representation" option on the ballott. They're all crooks and thieves and have done nothing for us! We need to be like Delta and "just say no".

You are entitled to your opinion but let me tell you this.

Even as bad as the TWU is there is still something worth having and that is the seniority system.

MY previous employer which was non-union had a layoff once while I was employed there. I watch older workers with 18 years of employment there get laidoff while I stayed with 18 months. Why? Because I made less per hour and did more than them.

Each of us will someday be the guy making more and producing less as we age. It is normal to get raises on a regular basis even at a non-union job. So the longer you stay the more you make. But each of us with time eventually become the guy making more money, and with age less productive, and a drain on health insurance plans, and more likely to file a workers comp claim. And in a non-union environment, I witnessed first hand what happens to that worker and I say NO THANKS!

All that would happen without Unions is older workers becoming unemployed and the becoming a drain on the Government Welfare System, which will directly impact you as a result of tax increases to fund even more sitting on the sidelines mooching off everyone still working. I hardly see where any of this scenario makes NON-UNION the way to go.

 

[Duke787]

Arrogant? I'm obviuosly not the only one on this thread that thinks the guy is management. Would you really like to be dealing with this company with no union at all as he advocates? You think the gate agents have a good deal? Split shifts, part time, dealing with passengers, no union protection. I've yet to see any mechanics quit and become gate agents. They gave them what they did because the job is so demanding they cant keep anybody. Oh yes, thats right, you advocated a YES vote so we know what you are willing to accept. Then you wonder why the company takes such a hard line and blame the Union. I'm the first to admit that we haven't done things right but just as the TWU needs to change we need the support of people on the floor. If the company feels that the majority of the people are ike you and willing to accept more concessions in exchange for a few crumbs then it doesnt matter who the negotiators are or what they say at the table. Fortunately the majority isnt like you.

AA has no problem filling any job vacancy's don't kid yourself, compairing an agent's job and ours is apples to oranges. Any job where all your training comes from the company, is a job that is easily replaced. That said and with the TWU representing us we should have gotten more then what the company GAVE to them, even though they have it a lot harder then any other employee at AA.

I will no longer bad mouth unions if you can negotiate a contract that is better then the one that was voted down. That means I will not be getting less money, holidays, sick time, then what I was going to get from the voted down TA. By your talking points, that is a fairly low hurdle for you and the negotiating team to jump over, good luck.

I fear we are going to get the same contract or worse, two years later.



You have one good line that I like, "they might be able to replace you, but not all of us"