What Are You Really Worth?

[700UW]

One Million Dollars

 

[DCFlyer]

Who in the hell appointed you GOD of everyone’s business anyway, PAL?

I suggest no one respond to this whacko.

[post="233580"][/post]​

I guess someone appointed you God - My only qualm is that US Airways is messing up the Star Alliance. I asked one question, and nobody will respond.

 

[neverhome]

Good Grief Charlie Brown

I think you are confused. You copied the wrong poster when you're actually addressing my post, then again, have one on me, Pal.

[post="233565"][/post]​

No, I was addressing the OP. But I'll have one on you just the same, thanks....burp.

 

[DCFlyer]

TSA wands, but in most stations c/s and/or fleet service agents perform the TSA mandated security checks on the a/c.

And, in most stations, the guy/gal you see in the deicing rig is a fleet service agent.

And , you originally asked, what we thought an agent was worth. I gave my opinion.

You then made what an agent did relevant. So, I tried to shed a little light there, too.

[post="233579"][/post]​

Please forgive me - I was confusing FSAs and CSAs.

 

[DCFlyer]

Please forgive me - I was confusing FSAs and CSAs.

[post="233587"][/post]​

So I am trying to keep track here. Apparently

CSAs should be paid 70k a year.

I am still waiting to hear from the rest.

 

[deano]

nobody will respond.

[post="233583"][/post]​

THANK GOD!!

 

[DCFlyer]

The ATSB is not out any money and I don't think pilots ever made more than the President. Even if they did, it's not your business.

[post="233567"][/post]​

Okay - You wanted to draw the line. Please lay out pilot salaries + benefits during 1999 - 2002. I am waiting.

 

[DCFlyer]

THANK GOD!!

[post="233592"][/post]​

Deano - my only hope is that your peers care more about staying employed then you do. Best of luck at MIDAS - my muffler seems to be rusting.

 

[neverhome]

Okay - You wanted to draw the line. Please lay out pilot salaries + benefits during 1999 - 2002. I am waiting.

[post="233595"][/post]​

You'll be waiting for a long while as I don't know what they make. IIRC, there was talk about the very highest a pilot could make was in the 300K range, but that was quite some time ago.

 

[DCFlyer]

You'll be waiting for a long while as I don't know what they make. IIRC, there was talk about the very highest a pilot could make was in the 300K range, but that was quite some time ago.

[post="233601"][/post]​

Mr. Neverhome,

You are killing me (and everyone else)...so pilots were making more then the president of the US - we can go into details with the benefits and the likes (specifically union pensions and healthcare after retirement). But bottom line is that pilots were making more then the US President.

Abstract: The salary of the President of the United States remained unchanged, at $200,000 per annum from 1969 to 2001

http://www.pennyhill.com/presidents/rs20114.html

Please let me know why a Pilot should be making more then the President of the Free World?

 

[BoeingBoy]

DCFlyer,

I'll change your question a little first....

How do you determine what anyone is worth?

There's the "What will someone else do it for?" answer, in which case everyone in the developed world (maybe the entire world) is overpaid because there's always someone else who will do it for less. I guess there is a bottom figure somewhere but it's probably down around a few dollars an hour in this country.

There's the "What the market will bear" answer, which is closer to what happens. That's why some jobs (ever tried to get a plumber for minimum wage lately) pay pretty well.

There's the "Look at all the education I had to get" answer, which is what you often get from doctors, lawyers, etc.

I'm sure there's others, but that's enough for now.

Now a more specific answer from me for only me......

Given the pilot profession, workload, work environment, etc, I'm probably worth $50 to $100 per hour 99.9999% of the time - that's sorta the going rate if you look at bottom of industry captains pay. That other 0.0001% (hopefully not over once per career) I'm worth millions (or 10's of millions) if my training, experience, etc prevents a tragedy. So average that out over a career and what have you got?

What it boils down to is this. If a company is managed such that they can only afford those workers willing to work for the least, they're in trouble in this business. Conversely, if a company is managed so that they can afford to hire the best, their prospects are limitless.

Jim

 

[DCFlyer]

DCFlyer,

I'll change your question a little first....

How do you determine what anyone is worth?

There's the "What will someone else do it for?" answer, in which case everyone in the developed world (maybe the entire world) is overpaid because there's always someone else who will do it for less. I guess there is a bottom figure somewhere but it's probably down around a few dollars an hour in this country.

There's the "What the market will bear" answer, which is closer to what happens. That's why some jobs (ever tried to get a plumber for minimum wage lately) pay pretty well.

There's the "Look at all the education I had to get" answer, which is what you often get from doctors, lawyers, etc.

I'm sure there's others, but that's enough for now.

Now a more specific answer from me for only me......

Given the pilot profession, workload, work environment, etc, I'm probably worth $50 to $100 per hour 99.9999% of the time - that's sorta the going rate if you look at bottom of industry captains pay. That other 0.0001% (hopefully not over once per career) I'm worth millions (or 10's of millions) if my training, experience, etc prevents a tragedy. So average that out over a career and what have you got?

What it boils down to is this. If a company is managed such that they can only afford those workers willing to work for the least, they're in trouble in this business. Conversely, if a company is managed so that they can afford to hire the best, their prospects are limitless.

Jim

[post="233613"][/post]​

Thanks Mr. Jim!

I am trying to understand here - so companies like SWA or MESA, ASA, MESA or others are willing to hire the best. At 50-100+ an hour that means a pilot is willing to work for 50k - 100k+ at 1,000 hours a year. YEEEPPPEEE I am glad to hear that Jim is an excellent pilot (apparently) willing to work for 100K per year + benefits (like the minors). I am waiting to hear from others.

CSAs are willing to work for 50k per year (or 70k per year with benefits according to earlier threads).

Everyone else lets stand up or tell Jim why you are worth more.

I can't wait to fly a foreign A380 where they are paid more....it is all about us against them right unions?

 

[DCFlyer]

DCFlyer,

I'll change your question a little first....

How do you determine what anyone is worth?

There's the "What will someone else do it for?" answer, in which case everyone in the developed world (maybe the entire world) is overpaid because there's always someone else who will do it for less. I guess there is a bottom figure somewhere but it's probably down around a few dollars an hour in this country.

There's the "What the market will bear" answer, which is closer to what happens. That's why some jobs (ever tried to get a plumber for minimum wage lately) pay pretty well.

There's the "Look at all the education I had to get" answer, which is what you often get from doctors, lawyers, etc.

I'm sure there's others, but that's enough for now.

Now a more specific answer from me for only me......

Given the pilot profession, workload, work environment, etc, I'm probably worth $50 to $100 per hour 99.9999% of the time - that's sorta the going rate if you look at bottom of industry captains pay. That other 0.0001% (hopefully not over once per career) I'm worth millions (or 10's of millions) if my training, experience, etc prevents a tragedy. So average that out over a career and what have you got?

What it boils down to is this. If a company is managed such that they can only afford those workers willing to work for the least, they're in trouble in this business. Conversely, if a company is managed so that they can afford to hire the best, their prospects are limitless.

Jim

[post="233613"][/post]​

BTW Pilot Jim,

Let's pay screeners and agents Millions when they discover those guns, tools and other weapons of mass destruction when they equal the skills of a qualified pilot such as yourself.

A concerned passenger. Thanks for driving safely!

 

[sentrido]

I am worth more because another company in another industrie pays me more.

 

[JAMAKE1]

DC Flyer:

Your original question was a fair one to ask. But your last one was not. Why should any CEO, CFO, COO, doctor, television news anchor, or lawyer make more than the president of the United States, for that matter? In answer to your question, the respective professions mentioned require a unique set of skills and thus are more highly valued. When one is highly specialized, such as a pilot, one has a certain amount of leverage with which to command one's price at the bargaining table or in the marketplace. Unfortunately, lower skilled workers (in which there is a large pool draw from) do not have the same leverage in determining one's worth with regard to income. For now, pilots have lost some of the leverage they enjoyed with the proliferation of low cost carriers capturing a greater percentage of market share. Perhaps as globalization continues, other professions such as CEO's and doctors will experience a downward pressure on their income as well.