Ken MacTiernan
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Ah, ANOTHER loser that still believes the twu's lies. "Change from within." That slogan and your integrity are a joke nw.Nightwatch said:
We At Aa Have Been Warned!
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Could someone please explain how the loss of aprox. %47 of the "craft and class" at NWA is "good" for the "craft and class"? What do the numbers really say in this case? About 5000 people lose there jobs and the work gets outsourced never to return. The loss of those jobs (payroll) is a sorry, sorry trade off for a few bucks an hour for those who remain. How long before NWA decides to quit doing "AO" all together? Hell, you could start a complete M&R facility with the layed-off amfa represented employees right now! Lets see....the amfa represents about 18,000 people, and uhhh how many of those are layed off? Its around 10,000 is it not? Now tell me again, what can the amfa do for us? Oh, and before I forget, how many amfa card drives have failed at AA? Why? Tulsa thats why. Why Tulsa? Because Tulsa is a heavy AO base and those that work there want to keep their jobs. The amfa can go get bent.
Here is another tidbit from the amfanuts bulletin board.
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I've been watching the news, since that seems to be the only way to find out what's happening at UAL concerning the retirees (what happened to AMFA's big promise that communication would be much better with them than with the IAM?)
AMFA has always promised that mechanics would be better represented if they didn't have the "unskilled" tagging along. So, why is it that the IAM is leading the charge to stop UAL from x the retirees? They have filed suit against Tilton and board members for failing their fiduciary responsibility to the pension plan and have demanded a trustee and opposed UAL's request for another extension of their exclusivity period in bankruptcy. The pilots have gone on record as being prepared to fight any effort by UAL to terminate pension plans.
On the other hand, the only thing I saw in the new about AMFA's reaction to all this is when O.V was quoted after the ATSB refused UAL's loan guarantee, "I guess they'll just have to go after the pensions" or words to that effect. Sounds like we went out of the frying pan and into the fire by letting AMFA take over the contract at United Airlines.
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I agree with the A320 Pilot, AMFA has nothing left to bargain with at NWA! AMFA Farmed it all out! AMFA even Farms out their own Administrative work to McCormick so it shouldn't of been a surprise! The entire industry is a wreck thanks to AMFA!
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Date: Wednesday August 11, 2004
Time: 05:05:53 PM
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I've been watching the news, since that seems to be the only way to find out what's happening at UAL concerning the retirees (what happened to AMFA's big promise that communication would be much better with them than with the IAM?)
AMFA has always promised that mechanics would be better represented if they didn't have the "unskilled" tagging along. So, why is it that the IAM is leading the charge to stop UAL from x the retirees? They have filed suit against Tilton and board members for failing their fiduciary responsibility to the pension plan and have demanded a trustee and opposed UAL's request for another extension of their exclusivity period in bankruptcy. The pilots have gone on record as being prepared to fight any effort by UAL to terminate pension plans.
On the other hand, the only thing I saw in the new about AMFA's reaction to all this is when O.V was quoted after the ATSB refused UAL's loan guarantee, "I guess they'll just have to go after the pensions" or words to that effect. Sounds like we went out of the frying pan and into the fire by letting AMFA take over the contract at United Airlines.
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I agree with the A320 Pilot, AMFA has nothing left to bargain with at NWA! AMFA Farmed it all out! AMFA even Farms out their own Administrative work to McCormick so it shouldn't of been a surprise! The entire industry is a wreck thanks to AMFA!
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HEAR YE!!!! HEAR YE!!!!
ANOUNCING TODAY!!!!
Strake, Jimmy T, Cio, Nightbitch, and High on Steel..............
WILL START...... (drumroll please) A twu CARD DRIVE TO REPLACE THE INEPT, WEAK, NON afl-cio, AMFA AT NORTHWEST AIRLINES!!!!!!
YES!!!! YOU HEARD IT HERE FIRST!!!!!
THE twu WILL SHOW ALL NON-BELIEVERS THAT THEY WILL LEAD NORTHWEST AIRLINES OUT OF THE DEPTHS OF DISPARE AND AMFA WRETCHEDNESS!!!!!!
Get off your ass twu clowns and get that card drive started NOW!!!!! Or shut TFU!!!!!!
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ANOUNCING TODAY!!!!
Strake, Jimmy T, Cio, Nightbitch, and High on Steel..............
WILL START...... (drumroll please) A twu CARD DRIVE TO REPLACE THE INEPT, WEAK, NON afl-cio, AMFA AT NORTHWEST AIRLINES!!!!!!
YES!!!! YOU HEARD IT HERE FIRST!!!!!
THE twu WILL SHOW ALL NON-BELIEVERS THAT THEY WILL LEAD NORTHWEST AIRLINES OUT OF THE DEPTHS OF DISPARE AND AMFA WRETCHEDNESS!!!!!!
Get off your ass twu clowns and get that card drive started NOW!!!!! Or shut TFU!!!!!!
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Sadman and Sackman, you guys are a piece of work....Read this interesting article in "The Detroit News".
Sunday, June 27, 2004
Northwest, unions need new flight plan
Challenge is to turn current adversarial relations into an asset of cooperative ties
By Daniel Howes / The Detroit News
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ROMULUS--Northwest Airlines’ campaign to wrest $950 million in union contract concessions is heading for severe turbulence if its mechanics get their way.
“We’re done,†said Bob Rose, president of Local 5 of the Aircraft Mechanics Fraternal Association, or AMFA. “We’ve given almost half of our work force already. We’ve had base closings. Believe it when we tell you: We ain’t giving them nothing.â€
What, I asked, if Northwest follows USAir and United Airlines and, probably by year’s end, Delta and files Chapter 11 bankruptcy, effectively voiding labor contracts, killing pension plans and turning business decisions over to a judge?
“Detroit is such a strategic location that someone will come in here and fly,†he told me over a 90-minute conversation at a restaurant near the airport. “It may not have a red tail, but someone needs us to turn a wrench. Some of our people will work, some won’t. We can go work on cars and we can go work on trucks.â€
Maybe.
Or a low-cost carrier which outsources far more maintenance work than Northwest does under its contract with AMFA could arrive. Southwest or Jet Blue could pay just as well and foster stronger ties with the union. Or, more likely, they could use even fewer mechanics, pay them less and effectively winnow the union’s membership even more in Detroit and elsewhere.
The truth is that no one, probably including Northwest CEO Richard Anderson, knows how Detroit Metropolitan Airport, its growing reputation as a global gateway or Northwest’s Michigan payroll would be affected by a Northwest bankruptcy. But it wouldn’t be for the better.
Yes, we’re talking about a company with revenues of $9.5 billion and a cash hoard of $3 billion, which taken at face value could suggest that it would be hard to plead poverty to a bankruptcy judge. But Northwest’s losses totaled $1.1 billion over the past three years and the first quarter of 2004, its outstanding debt and capital lease obligations stand at $8.3 billion and its labor costs are too high.
“The airline industry is an essential business that must be profitable,†Anderson said in a recent interview. “There are really no healthy legacy carriers. In the future, we may see only a handful of legacy carriers remaining. We will be one of those survivors.â€
How you do that is the billion-dollar question. I can tell you this: Demonizing unions is a losing strategy in an industry where the trend, even among low-cost carriers, is toward more unionization, not less. Strikes of just a few weeks alienate customers and can cost $1.5 billion in lost revenue.
The challenge is to make the liability of adversarial labor-management relations into an asset of cooperative ties that recognize mutual self-interest. Northwest’s pilots, who stand to lose six-figure pensions if Northwest declares bankruptcy, understand this.
As Rose paints it, AMFA doesn’t much care because it has less to lose. Northwest, he says, is swimming in cash; its executives haven’t offered to take pay cuts (though none of its top five execs received bonuses last year); it’s replacing old DC-10 aircraft with new Airbus A-330s; and it’s investing heavily in new technology and new terminals at Detroit Metro.
Labor negotiations (or, more precisely, the public posturing that typically precedes them) are equal parts economics, politics and theater. Right now, we’re getting a taste of the latter two because it’s way too early (at least as far as AMFA is concerned) to talk economics and work rules.
The sparring is well under way. AMFA members in Minneapolis preparing to picket the outsourcing of maintenance work by calling Northwest “unsafe†were told they would be fired if they did so because of the damaging message that could send to the traveling public. And in Detroit, where AMFA represents roughly 1,200 Northwest mechanics, there have also been small protests, intensifying rhetoric and charges that union officials have been summarily fired.
Which raises a fundamental question neither side is prepared to answer: If labor (excluding the pilots, who have offered concessions worth more than $200 million) isn’t in a giving mood and Northwest says it needs nearly $1 billion in give-backs to stay out of bankruptcy court, what will give?
Right now, not much.
Northwest’s business imperatives are clear and sensible: It needs to continue investing in new technologies, replace old planes with new and leverage the power of the Internet and global alliances to fill planes and book revenue.
Done right, the dominant carrier in Detroit could emerge as one of the nation’s remaining Big Three airlines and Detroit could surpass Chicago as the hub of the Midwest so long as its labor costs are as lean as its operating costs.
Northwest has countered the pilots’ concession package by asking for more than $300 million in give-backs. And the airline is in mediation talks with the International Association of Machinists. Like the pilots, the machinists are a member of the AFL-CIO and both unions have confidential meetings twice each month with senior Northwest executives to review the airline’s finances and outlook.
AMFA and the union representing Northwest flight attendants are not members of the labor federation. Nor do they participate in the twice-monthly reviews with Northwest management.
There is, however, no question that AMFA’s ranks at Northwest have been hit hard by the aftershocks of the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, the SARS outbreaks in Asia, the decline in passenger traffic and the restructuring those events forced Northwest to make. In March of 2001, Northwest had 10,324 AMFA-represented employees. Today, it has 5,458 dues-paying members, according to company records.
A membership decrease like that — 47.1 percent, to be precise — is enough to get almost any labor leader’s attention, especially when Northwest execs are getting multimillion dollar awards of restricted stock even as they ask their unions for concessions.
For AMFA, it all basically amounts to a declaration of war that Rose insists the union will fight to the end, no matter what kind of concessions Northwest wins from its pilots or the machinists.
“Do you know the story of the band on the Titanic?†Rose asked. “In this game of bankruptcy, consider us the band because we’re going to ride it to the bottom.
“You don’t believe me, do you?â€
Actually, hard as it is to understand, I do. So should anyone with a stake in Northwest’s future.
Daniel Howes’ column appears Sundays, Wednesdays and Fridays. He can be reached at (313) 222-2106 or at dchowes@detnews.com.
OH! You are right sadman, 4700 did not lose jobs, the correct number is 4866.
Also, are you implying the amfa is no longer the BA for those on layoff from UAL?
Again, how many amfa card drives have failed at AA? How many?
Sunday, June 27, 2004
Northwest, unions need new flight plan
Challenge is to turn current adversarial relations into an asset of cooperative ties
By Daniel Howes / The Detroit News
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ROMULUS--Northwest Airlines’ campaign to wrest $950 million in union contract concessions is heading for severe turbulence if its mechanics get their way.
“We’re done,†said Bob Rose, president of Local 5 of the Aircraft Mechanics Fraternal Association, or AMFA. “We’ve given almost half of our work force already. We’ve had base closings. Believe it when we tell you: We ain’t giving them nothing.â€
What, I asked, if Northwest follows USAir and United Airlines and, probably by year’s end, Delta and files Chapter 11 bankruptcy, effectively voiding labor contracts, killing pension plans and turning business decisions over to a judge?
“Detroit is such a strategic location that someone will come in here and fly,†he told me over a 90-minute conversation at a restaurant near the airport. “It may not have a red tail, but someone needs us to turn a wrench. Some of our people will work, some won’t. We can go work on cars and we can go work on trucks.â€
Maybe.
Or a low-cost carrier which outsources far more maintenance work than Northwest does under its contract with AMFA could arrive. Southwest or Jet Blue could pay just as well and foster stronger ties with the union. Or, more likely, they could use even fewer mechanics, pay them less and effectively winnow the union’s membership even more in Detroit and elsewhere.
The truth is that no one, probably including Northwest CEO Richard Anderson, knows how Detroit Metropolitan Airport, its growing reputation as a global gateway or Northwest’s Michigan payroll would be affected by a Northwest bankruptcy. But it wouldn’t be for the better.
Yes, we’re talking about a company with revenues of $9.5 billion and a cash hoard of $3 billion, which taken at face value could suggest that it would be hard to plead poverty to a bankruptcy judge. But Northwest’s losses totaled $1.1 billion over the past three years and the first quarter of 2004, its outstanding debt and capital lease obligations stand at $8.3 billion and its labor costs are too high.
“The airline industry is an essential business that must be profitable,†Anderson said in a recent interview. “There are really no healthy legacy carriers. In the future, we may see only a handful of legacy carriers remaining. We will be one of those survivors.â€
How you do that is the billion-dollar question. I can tell you this: Demonizing unions is a losing strategy in an industry where the trend, even among low-cost carriers, is toward more unionization, not less. Strikes of just a few weeks alienate customers and can cost $1.5 billion in lost revenue.
The challenge is to make the liability of adversarial labor-management relations into an asset of cooperative ties that recognize mutual self-interest. Northwest’s pilots, who stand to lose six-figure pensions if Northwest declares bankruptcy, understand this.
As Rose paints it, AMFA doesn’t much care because it has less to lose. Northwest, he says, is swimming in cash; its executives haven’t offered to take pay cuts (though none of its top five execs received bonuses last year); it’s replacing old DC-10 aircraft with new Airbus A-330s; and it’s investing heavily in new technology and new terminals at Detroit Metro.
Labor negotiations (or, more precisely, the public posturing that typically precedes them) are equal parts economics, politics and theater. Right now, we’re getting a taste of the latter two because it’s way too early (at least as far as AMFA is concerned) to talk economics and work rules.
The sparring is well under way. AMFA members in Minneapolis preparing to picket the outsourcing of maintenance work by calling Northwest “unsafe†were told they would be fired if they did so because of the damaging message that could send to the traveling public. And in Detroit, where AMFA represents roughly 1,200 Northwest mechanics, there have also been small protests, intensifying rhetoric and charges that union officials have been summarily fired.
Which raises a fundamental question neither side is prepared to answer: If labor (excluding the pilots, who have offered concessions worth more than $200 million) isn’t in a giving mood and Northwest says it needs nearly $1 billion in give-backs to stay out of bankruptcy court, what will give?
Right now, not much.
Northwest’s business imperatives are clear and sensible: It needs to continue investing in new technologies, replace old planes with new and leverage the power of the Internet and global alliances to fill planes and book revenue.
Done right, the dominant carrier in Detroit could emerge as one of the nation’s remaining Big Three airlines and Detroit could surpass Chicago as the hub of the Midwest so long as its labor costs are as lean as its operating costs.
Northwest has countered the pilots’ concession package by asking for more than $300 million in give-backs. And the airline is in mediation talks with the International Association of Machinists. Like the pilots, the machinists are a member of the AFL-CIO and both unions have confidential meetings twice each month with senior Northwest executives to review the airline’s finances and outlook.
AMFA and the union representing Northwest flight attendants are not members of the labor federation. Nor do they participate in the twice-monthly reviews with Northwest management.
There is, however, no question that AMFA’s ranks at Northwest have been hit hard by the aftershocks of the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, the SARS outbreaks in Asia, the decline in passenger traffic and the restructuring those events forced Northwest to make. In March of 2001, Northwest had 10,324 AMFA-represented employees. Today, it has 5,458 dues-paying members, according to company records.
A membership decrease like that — 47.1 percent, to be precise — is enough to get almost any labor leader’s attention, especially when Northwest execs are getting multimillion dollar awards of restricted stock even as they ask their unions for concessions.
For AMFA, it all basically amounts to a declaration of war that Rose insists the union will fight to the end, no matter what kind of concessions Northwest wins from its pilots or the machinists.
“Do you know the story of the band on the Titanic?†Rose asked. “In this game of bankruptcy, consider us the band because we’re going to ride it to the bottom.
“You don’t believe me, do you?â€
Actually, hard as it is to understand, I do. So should anyone with a stake in Northwest’s future.
Daniel Howes’ column appears Sundays, Wednesdays and Fridays. He can be reached at (313) 222-2106 or at dchowes@detnews.com.
OH! You are right sadman, 4700 did not lose jobs, the correct number is 4866.
Also, are you implying the amfa is no longer the BA for those on layoff from UAL?
Again, how many amfa card drives have failed at AA? How many?
Strake said:
Persistance is the key to success!
How many failed at NWA? At SWA? At Horizon? At Alaska? At UAL? While many drives have failed those that result in a vote typically succeed, unlike the TWU with their failed bid for Delta.
Lets not forget that card drives are done without knowing exactly how many are needed. AMFA filed at UAL, then the company got together with the IAM and inflated the list. However once armed with the list AMFA simply came back a year later and UAL went AMFA.
I suspect that if the TWU and the company were successful at doing the same over here that we will see the same scenario again. We can vote this year and take 16000 from the TWU or next and take almost 19000. Their choice.
How many amfa card drives have failed at AA? You can keep trying all you want. Until the amfa can prove that it can keep the work at the AO bases and protect those jobs, the amfa is pissing in the wind here at AA. The amfa's track record speaks for it self. Aproximately 10,000 out 18,000 (55%) amfa represented employees are out of work. The amfa has ran out of time. They have to do something, anything. It seems that they can't. You talk of Southwest Airlines, lets see, they have about 1600 line mechs, of which about 600 didn't vote and about 400 voted against amfa. Or how about Horizon, a very narrow margin of victory. Its becoming quite clear to a lot of people that amfa could not care less about heavy maintenance. Bring your card drive on...you ain't skeered are ya? Surely ya'll can scam a bunch of dumb okies cant ya? You can't. Its been proven time and time again. YOU LOSE. EVERY TIME. WHY?
Strake said:How many amfa card drives have failed at AA? You can keep trying all you want. Until the amfa can prove that it can keep the work at the AO bases and protect those jobs, the amfa is pissing in the wind here at AA. The amfa's track record speaks for it self. Aproximately 10,000 out 18,000 (55%) amfa represented employees are out of work. The amfa has ran out of time. They have to do something, anything. It seems that they can't. You talk of Southwest Airlines, lets see, they have about 1600 line mechs, of which about 600 didn't vote and about 400 voted against amfa. Or how about Horizon, a very narrow margin of victory. Its becoming quite clear to a lot of people that amfa could not care less about heavy maintenance. Bring your card drive on...you ain't skeered are ya? Surely ya'll can scam a bunch of dumb okies cant ya? You can't. Its been proven time and time again. YOU LOSE. EVERY TIME. WHY?
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Strake, AMFA is like a train, it just keeps coming down the tracks and either you can get on board or get out of the way but, nothing is going to stop it. It's about democracy, accountability to the membership, integrity, and respect. You can see it right here on this board that the twu advocates have no respect for the majority of mechanics. There is no Democracy in the twu and there is no accountability to the membership.
Also Strake no one is going to buy your rhetoric that the membership does not care about heavy maintenance. You see under AMFA the membership is in control of the union. Have you ever seen an AMFA advocate say we need to get rid of overhaul? Quite the contrary as a matter of fact AMFA is the only union that has a cap on outsourcing. The lapdog twu simply lowers wages and creates tiered wage scales starting at $9/hr to keep work. Lowering wages to keep work because of weak scope language is not the answer. Strength comes from being able to withhold your labor or creating chaos to pressure top executives into a raise. We have been in a progressive decline for over twenty years here at AA and we know that suck up unionism does not work (take a look at the chart). We received an AMFA contract while riding on the coattail of NWA but, it was very short lived as the company and their company union began their plan to smash it. The twu is fired, it's just a matter of implementation of the firing process that we are now engaged in and it will continue until it is complete.
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Strake said:How many amfa card drives have failed at AA? You can keep trying all you want. Until the amfa can prove that it can keep the work at the AO bases and protect those jobs, the amfa is pissing in the wind here at AA. The amfa's track record speaks for it self. Aproximately 10,000 out 18,000 (55%) amfa represented employees are out of work. The amfa has ran out of time. They have to do something, anything. It seems that they can't. You talk of Southwest Airlines, lets see, they have about 1600 line mechs, of which about 600 didn't vote and about 400 voted against amfa. Or how about Horizon, a very narrow margin of victory. Its becoming quite clear to a lot of people that amfa could not care less about heavy maintenance. Bring your card drive on...you ain't skeered are ya? Surely ya'll can scam a bunch of dumb okies cant ya? You can't. Its been proven time and time again. YOU LOSE. EVERY TIME. WHY?
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Straky,
8 airlines are AMFA, including one of the most profitable in history. AMFA has been at NWA for 6 years now and there is NO card drive for the iam that has gone over 500, and your bud Nobby at the 'Nuts site has tried several times. No luck.
No sane AMT wants the iam, they are nearly finished representing AMT's. The twu is also finished with representing AMT's. No card drives for the twu either.
However, there are or will be other AMFA card drives at more carriers. Many more airlines will get on the AMFA train in the future. All M@R in the Airline Industry have to come together to fight for our careers. It won't be under the twu.... It won't be under the iam....and it won't be under the ibt. It WILL be with AMFA....its just the way its going to happen, and you can't stop it no matter how much you piss and moan!!! Sorry!!!
No union can stop layoffs. You beloved twu couldn't stop them with concessions. NWA had to invoke three Force Majeure's to get around the AMFA contract. With the twu, the company says BOO....... and the twu says; "We're going into Chapter 7!!! "Give 'till you can't give any more"!!!! Simply pathetic. The company is still on the same business plan with all the top heavy management, laughing when they counsel us for using our half-pay sick days. When will little jimmy make the company "show us the shared sacrifice"? We are still waiting, which is no surprise.
You can continue to spew your twu lies about AMFA, but they're paper thin. Your twu has come to the end of the line. You "dumb okies" (your words) HAVE been scamed!!! By them dad gum big city twu bus drivers in NYC!!! Don't you see
it??? I guess not.
Get on the AMFA train or get out of the way!!!!
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Hey Strake,
That Train these two morons are talking about got "De-Railed" a long time ago by Team TWU..! They must have got themselves a new Choo-choo...! Have no fear of the amfa-choochoo, it is mearly n figmant of their imagination... 😛
Toot toot, Ding ding, Watch out for that little amfa-choochoo...HE/HE/HE 😀
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That Train these two morons are talking about got "De-Railed" a long time ago by Team TWU..! They must have got themselves a new Choo-choo...! Have no fear of the amfa-choochoo, it is mearly n figmant of their imagination... 😛
Toot toot, Ding ding, Watch out for that little amfa-choochoo...HE/HE/HE 😀
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High Speed Steel said:
Yep High on Steel, AMFA was a figment at NWA, SWA, UAL, ACA, ATA, Horizon(twu), Mesaba, and Alaska too.
Not the case now is it?
Is the twu starting a card drive at to oust AMFA at any of those airlines yet???
Please let us know when your ready, so we can try and control our laughter.
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And how many of those represented by amfa at the 8 airlines you reference are still on the payroll...? What 55% not recieving the benefits of the amfa dream...? Hell man, 47.1% come from one carrier alone...! I believe if you where to poll those who's livelyhoods have been ruined by your beloved "McCormick controlled company association amfa", you would recieve a rather dismal response..! Which most likley could not be posted here on this BB due to the profanity...!!!
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And how many of those represented by amfa at the 8 airlines you reference are still on the payroll...? What 55% not recieving the benefits of the amfa dream...? Hell man, 47.1% come from one carrier alone...! I believe if you where to poll those who's livelyhoods have been ruined by your beloved "McCormick controlled company association amfa", you would recieve a rather dismal response..! Which most likley could not be posted here on this BB due to the profanity...!!!
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People on layoff can still sign a card so whats your excuse for no twu drives getting off the ground? This should be an easy thing for you guys!
