Virgin appearently wins gates at DAL

[WorldTraveler]

that would be you.

When DL is shut out of DAL, let me know.

It hasn't happened.

I am absolutely certain that you, robbed, and swamt will ever admit that I was right on this but DL will be at DAL.

 

[700UW]

Did they get the two gates from AA?
 
That would be a big fat NO.

 

[WorldTraveler]

we get that.

but you and robbed and swamt have repeatedly tried to argue that the lack of gates means DL is shut out of DAL and that is simply not the case at all.

I have argued that the two gates mean little as to whether DL can or will serve DAL.

In fact, it is very likely that DL painted aircraft will be parked at the very gates of the competitors that you three have cheered as getting gates at the ultimate cost of the size of their operations at DAL, esp. WN.

swamt has repeatedly tried to argue that WN had exclusive right to at least 16 gates at DAL and that WN would never share its gates with anyone and yet the lease which WN signed specifically says that is what they will do if adequate facilities cannot be found.

You three have broken your necks trying to argue that DL would be locked out of DAL and yet the evidence is not only overwhelming that won't happen but that WN and Virgin will have to accommodate DL at the expense of the size of their own operations.

The DOJ stuck its nose into something it didn't understand and WN, who was thrilled to take the handouts from the DOJ at DCA and LGA, will likely pay a much higher price at DAL.

And, might I add, there won't be anywhere near the amount of money changing hands to allow other airlines to add service to DAL as the DOJ facilitated with the AA/US merger and divestiture agreement.

 

[robbedagain]

YOU PROCLAIMED delta would file legal challenge (your words) regarding LGA and DCA   well we are waiting    then you changed your tune to say within 60 days after US/AA merger..  guess what  aint gonna happen   bec it has now been well beyond 60 days  and no delta legal challenge   so you are flat out wrong there  and you will never admit    It must be sad to be you. 
 
now on to DAL  DL may get something but they definitely wont be able to have the nbr of flights they wanted  but itll be done with may be 1 gate  may be 2  but it will be accommodated some how  but it wont be to DL advantage    come tomorrow  DAL officials will most likely give stamp of approval to VX   that then will be pushing DL further down the tad pole

 

[WorldTraveler]

You aren't smart enough to realize the whole slot deal and the DAL gate issue is all part of the same package?

DL isn't going to start suing about anything until it is all resolved.

Further, I never made any promises that DL would most definitely do anything. You clearly have no understanding of verb tenses and conditionality in the English language if you can't understand the words "if," "could," etc.


I am saying this with certainty.


DL will be at Dallas Love Field and the only question is how far they are willing to push. Given that the lease between DAL and WN specifically says that WN as the only remaining airline signatory to the 2006 agreement (since AA walked away from their rights) does have a requirement to accommodate new entrants. (ExpressJet didn't sign the 2006 agreement but the requirement is likely in their lease)

Sorry, but the reality that you are going to have to get used to is that you crowed about how the DOJ was going to screw DL and that DL would be kicked to the curb.

You have busted your buns to try to argue how DL would be shut out of the slot and DAL process. You are the one that is dancing hard to try to not be made out to look the part of the fool.

Not only will WN be required in very high likelihood to continue to accommodate new entrants at DAL but because of the interference of the DOJ in a process that they should have stayed out of, further new entrants will come along and demand gates and WN and Virgin and UA will have to accommodate them and the mark for how large a new entrant can be and expect to be accommodate is now enormously larger than even WN opens stations with.

WN was only to happy to accept handouts from the government and AA execs were only to happy to crow that they had essentially orchestrated an agreement that eliminated the competition they didn't want.

AA and WN will find out once again that they will lose the most because they ran to the government instead of being willing to win in the marketplace.

Aviation in N. Texas promises to be very exciting in the next few years.

 

[robbedagain]

sorry but youre the one who needs a reality check.   you claimed that DL would file legal challenges over the DCA and LGA slots and now that its well over 60 plus days they have done squat    so that's 2 strikes right there...     now the FED GOVT of which the DOJ/DOT are part of made clear who they prefer  and DL was not part of it.   VX qualified bec they are a LCC     DL pulled the DFW market yrs ago and now they have a nbr of flights but its not the hub it once was.  GET OVER THAT

 

[AdAstraPerAspera]

Aviation in N. Texas promises to be very exciting in the next few years.

 
Please.

 

[swamt]

WT,  YOUR ARE SUCH AN IDIOT, BUMB-A$$, what ever you wanna call it.  I, sir, quote it and remember it, have never said Delta would be forced out or gone from DAL LF.  Stop your BS rants!!  I have always said Delta will NEVER,  I said NEVER---EVER get the 2 gates at LF that were up for grabs due to the MO-FO merger of AA and US.  Get a clue man.  Suck it freakin up and concede.  DELTA LOSS THE BATTLE!!!   They wined and cried for the gates and they flat out loss.  SWA too loss, as they wanted the gates also.  I admit it!  Why cannot you?  VA is the clear winner of the LF gates, get over it and move on.   Stick one thumb in your mouth and stick one in your a$$, as you cannot comprehend the real issues at hand here,  get a clue, as you need one very badly, good God you are a dumb-a$$....

 

[SharoninSAT]

City’s consultants say Southwest is best choice for Dallas Love Field gates...
 
By TERRY MAXON Staff Writer [email protected]
Published: 27 April 2014 11:41 PM
Updated: 28 April 2014 12:32 AM
 
Aviation consultants hired by the city of Dallas have concluded that Southwest Airlines would be the city’s best choice to get two available gates at Dallas Love Field.
L.E.K. Consultants said the “city’s main objective” should be to maximize the number of passengers originating or ending their trips at Love Field and Dallas/Fort Worth International Airport, “as that would represent maximum utility for stakeholders.”
“Based on fleet plans and potential cannibalization at D/FW, Southwest would likely drive the most passenger traffic across both DAL [Love Field] & D/FW,” the consultants said in a report to the city.
The Dallas City Council’s Transportation and Trinity River Project Committee is scheduled to discuss the Love Field gates Monday afternoon.
American Airlines Inc. is required to divest the gates as part of a lawsuit settlement with the U.S. Department of Justice, which had sued American and US Airways Inc. in 2013 to block their planned merger.
The Justice Department has told American that it wants Virgin America to get the gates, which are among 20 gates in the new Love Field terminal nearing completion. Twelve of the gates are already in use.
The work is scheduled to be done before Oct. 13, the date that federal restrictions on Love Field flights expire. After that date, carriers can fly to any U.S. airport out of the Dallas airport, ending more than 34 years of limited service .
Southwest, which controls 16 of the new gates, is lobbying for the two American gates as well. Southwest has already named 15 cities that would get nonstop service when the federal limits expire, and promised service to 17 additional cities if it got the extra gates.
Delta Air Lines Inc. also is pushing to be able to fly out of Love Field, even though the Justice Department said March 10 that the Atlanta-based carrier was “not an appropriate divestiture candidate” for the Dallas gates.
Virgin America chairman Don Carty and chief executive David Cush on Friday said they had approval from the Justice Department and American to get the gates, and said they expected City Manager A.C. Gonzalez to approve the transfer of the gates. Virgin America started offering introductory $79 nonstop fares out of Love Field on Friday.
Carty called the lease transfer “a relatively routine matter. I don’t know that this city has ever interfered with the transfer of a lease between two private parties.”
“I think it’s pretty clear that these transfers get approved unless there’s an overwhelming reason not to approve them,” Carty said. “And we’ve seen transfers of Love Field gates to parties that are far less credible than a Virgin America.”
In briefing material to the council committee, the city staff indicated that Justice has made its wishes known.
“On April 16, 2014, the City received notice from the Department of Justice that American and Virgin America had reached an agreement and that agreement satisfies the Department of Justice,” the briefing paper stated.
L.E.K. said that the decision on the gates should be based on what’s best for the “primary stakeholders” — Dallas residents and the local business community. It said its analysis did not include American and the Justice Department.
“We have excluded ‘other stakeholder’ considerations from our analysis in order to remain objective; the DOJ’s needs do not necessarily overlap with the needs of the primary stakeholders,” the L.E.K. report said.
The consultants said Southwest likely would add the most destinations and “drive the most passenger traffic” at the two airports. While Virgin America plans 18 daily departures at Love Field, it will take its six departures away from D/FW Airport. The report also raised the question of whether Delta’s 22 flights at Love Field would cannibalize its D/FW operations.
It assumed that Delta would operate only 20 flights a day from the two gates, although Delta has scheduled 22 flights.

 

[WorldTraveler]

sorry but youre the one who needs a reality check.   you claimed that DL would file legal challenges over the DCA and LGA slots and now that its well over 60 plus days they have done squat    so that's 2 strikes right there...     now the FED GOVT of which the DOJ/DOT are part of made clear who they prefer  and DL was not part of it.   VX qualified bec they are a LCC     DL pulled the DFW market yrs ago and now they have a nbr of flights but its not the hub it once was.  GET OVER THAT

Sharon,
you must be getting as desperate as your little mechanic coworker.

You and he can hold onto all the DOJ and consultant advise you want but it doesn't change that WN signed a lease that says that they will accommodate new entrant airlines.

WN went running to the federal government seeking a privileged position at DCA and LGA all the while trying to protect their headquarters at DAL.

In case you have missed it, DL is invading AS' headquarters because AS was too arrogant to think they needed to cooperate with DL as a codeshare partner.

If you think for one minute that DL isn't capable of doing the same thing to WN whatever parts of WN's network that DL wants, you are in for a horribly rude awakening.

WN for years has tried to find markets where it can hide from competition; it is no surprise that WN has done as well as they have when they have concentrated more of their network around markets which they dominate to the exclusion of other carriers.

WN's entire business strategy is broken but they tried to pull it out one more time for another run at DAL. It will backfire and all the dreams that WN has had for DAL will be laid to waste in the face of competition which WN has never wanted and which they, with a wink from AA, will have to face specifically because neither AA or WN are bigger than the federal laws under which they operate.

N. Texas aviation has been a protected joke for years.

Is anyone surprised that Virgin is pulling its PHL flights in order to fund its DAL expansion? hardly.

AA and WN have been trying for years to protect themselves from outside competition and have used the AA/US merger as yet one more opportunity to run to the government for protection instead of figuring out how to win in the marketplace.

There is a reason why even from AA and WN's strongest hubs that DL is the dominant airline to DL's hubs... because DL provides a service that customers are willing to pay a premium for and DL is able to win in the marketplace, something neither AA or WN want to do.

It will change and AA and WN will find out how poorly both are prepared to compete.

 

[robbedagain]

and DL ran away from DFW as a hub yrs ago   wake up and smell the coffee and admit your wrong for once
 
swamt  that's a terrific post bro 

 

[WorldTraveler]

and the combined AA/US has closed hubs in SJC, BNA, STL, RDU, PIT, BWI...

and more significantly they aren't even the largest airline in the local market at most of those cities while DL continues to have the 2nd largest local revenues at DFW.

DL didn't need 200 additional flights in order to be the largest revenue carrier from DFW to its hubs from DFW.

You clearly are worried that DL will be at DAL and will have a major revenue advantage over both AA and WN in some of the top markets from N. Texas - and worst yet, the backroom deals that AA and WN have forged will blow up in their faces. that is what happens when companies hide from competition which is what AA and WN have tried to do for years.

DL, meanwhile has embraced competition, and not only has the highest revenue metrics of the industry but is the darling of Wall Street as well

here is what the Centre for Aviation said about DL:
Delta for now continues to set the standard for its US peers with no plans to stray from building a carrier to attain an investment-grade status.

 

[does this plane go to paris]

To state that a company's entire business model is broken after reporting record profits is an embarrassment. 

 

[WorldTraveler]

if that business model cannot adapt to the environment in which it operates, then the model is broken. It doesn't mean that WN isn't able to continue mining what it has planted.

When WN closes 18 cities since a merger, is fighting with its labor who have come to expect one enormous pay raise after another, and is no longer the darling of Wall Street any longer, WN is a lot more disconnected from its glorious past than a lot of people want to admit.

I've never said they are on the verge of extinction. But their business model must change and is changing.

And their attempts at trying to convince the world that they are a value airline that can provide what no other airline can is simply not accurate and will increasingly be thrown back in their face.

 

[robbedagain]

as I told you before  DL will continue to serve DAL  just not on the big scale you project it to be.    We are all awaiting for the so called Legal Challenge  which will most likely never come    Funny how you keep saying DL DL DL is this n that  yet Wall St loves the new AA