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[700UW]

But the members did not recall their MEC or vote them out of office, so defacto they did vote to give it away.

 

[EastUS]

But the members did not recall their MEC or vote them out of office, so defacto they did vote to give it away.

Any chance of a translation into...well...anything that makes even the slightest sense? :blink:

Is there ANY wholly reliable, or even possible basis upon which a group of people can predetermine the insane, or wholly cowardly, utterlly treacherous/etc.....let's stick with insane for simplicity's sake...actions of others?

"Lincoln failed to ensure that Booth was never born, failed to realize his potential as a murderer,.....so, he "defacto" shot himself?"

 

[AAA73Pilot]

More of the same mentality that will keep USAPA from becoming a reality as the bargaining agent for BOTH pilot groups.

Actually quite the opposite. It's about time this group is unified. It will be up to the pilots of both companies to decide to make it work. But I can assure you, if one side doesn't want to join in, it won't matter and decisions will be made without the benefit of their participation.

How will you live the rest of your career when USAPA fails? You are already bitter and miserable. Can you even to continue to work at USAirways when that happens?

I have the west blueprint to see ALPA's failure on the property. How about 3000+ pilots withdrawing from ALPA and not pay one more red cent to Herndon. Great Idea supplied by the west pilots. Now, how you going to get Doug to fire 3000+ pilots of his cash cow? He would be forced to merge and bail out at the same time. Good riddance!!!

USAPA exists solely to subvert the Nicolau Award. If you guys were so unhappy with ALPA, why didn't you try to remove ALPA after the pension was given away without a vote? Was that not something that affected the entire pilot group more adversely than the Nicolau Award?

When we tried to raise our voices over the DB plan, people like you said "It had to be done". "We were in Bankruptcy". "Live to fight another day". Well guess what? If this isn't the "Another day" part, what is? Maybe if you would get a backbone and finally stand up for something instead of riding daddy ALPA coat tails you can join us and make something better for all the USAirways pilots!!!
So I also guess the BK had something to do with it. However, when the true facts started coming to light, ALPA's dirty little hand was everywhere. Including Pollocks disgusting manner in which it was conducted. What makes you think this decert drive is not a delayed reaction to that? That makes your Nic statement extremely debatable as a sole reason to oust ALPA.

The same mentality that you accuse ALPA National and certain MEC members have displaying pervades the USAPA leadership. They too think they have all the answers, but I don't believe they have even scratched the surface at solving or even indentifying the problems that face their effort.

At least the USAPA leadership will have to operate in the open. Filmed / web cammed meetings so that all pilots can view it for information. No more resolutions affecting a majority of pilots passed by the few who happened to get FPL to attend / hold said meetings. Or just be lucky enough to be off the day of the meeting.

And just as in the past, the rank and file pilots will pay for the miscalculations and hubris of a few individuals that think they are a lot smarter than they really are.

The beauty of all this, is the original founders of USAPA are a lot smarter than you will ever admit. If they were not, we wouldn't be having this conversation. Think about the history, USAPA founded in May. Planned in June. Public card campaign in July, August, September, October and filing November 13th. Pretty good for a bunch of so called "Smart people". The fastest decert drive in recent history I would say. I look forward to your explanation of that, by a bunch of leaders you would try to discount as not so smart.

 

[700UW]

Shall I borrow my son's crayons and draw you a picture?

After the MEC gave up your pension, you did not recall any of the MEC members.

You voted to put them in office and relect them also.

So in reality you voted for them, left them in office, therefore you voted to give up your pension as you did not do anything about it.

Like I said, your group has not met a concession it did not like, no wonder why ALPA was ALWAYS the first to cave into the company demands, going as far back as 1992.

 

[EastUS]

Shall I borrow my son's crayons and draw you a picture?

After the MEC gave up your pension, you did not recall any of the MEC members.

Ah...you're "logic" is clear now = After the idiots threw away the pension without a fight.....It turns out that, by not recalling them afterward...that it was clearly the memberships' fault that they tossed the pension. You're amazing :blink: ...Truly...words fail me here.

 

[dariencc]

Shall I borrow my son's crayons and draw you a picture?

After the MEC gave up your pension, you did not recall any of the MEC members.

Ever hear of former PIT F/O Rep Tim Baker? He was recalled by a vote in favor of over 90%. (He also caught so much sh** that he later left for Airtran.) Good riddance.

Don't let the facts get in your way.

 

[AAA73Pilot]

But the members did not recall their MEC or vote them out of office, so defacto they did vote to give it away.

ALPA rules do get in the way with that little recall thing you mention. It takes at least 30 days before a meeting to get a recall on the agenda. How long did Pollock say we had? 7 days? 5? More, less? So in reality we did not give it away!!! Thanks to ALPA rules, we can't even recall anyone before the damage is done. So whats the point after the fact? And yes, Pollock was replaced by Stephan at the next election. Another one term wonder.

Annoying structure about ALPA rules, closed meetings, after the fact damage. AND no recourse for the affected pilots.

 

[dariencc]

And yes, Pollock was replaced by Stephan at the next election. Another one term wonder.

Now Pollock is back as the head of the Concerned Quislings for Alpa. On flight pay loss, of course. Is Alpa great, or what?

 

[AAA73Pilot]

Now Pollock is back as the head of the Concerned Quislings for Alpa. On flight pay loss, of course. Is Alpa great, or what?

I really think they are trying to get rid of us. Put the guy most disliked to defend ALPA, yep....makes sense to me

 

[traderjake]

You have been with america west for barely four years and you are greedy about your windfall.

By windfall you mean not letting a Reserve East F/O steal a West Captain's job.

East Pilots - the most immoral and unethical on the planet, I'm ashamed to have to work with these guys.

 

[supercruiser]

USAPA still has not shown me it is a better option than ALPA.

Come on buddy, you fly with ANYONE that agrees with you on this point? Those 3000 plus pilots that submitted cards, a ton of them Captains, minus you of course...can they all be so wrong? Your mindset can only come from a guy at the top of the food chain who is not affected by the Nic award, who is evidently happy to continue to fund the extravagant lifestyles of the mothership, and the ALPA flight pay loss lifers. Disappointed in you for sure. But no matter, you will have the chance to vote, and will have to live with whatever the results are, like the rest. Definitely think you're in the minority this time around.

supercruiser

 

[sharktooth]

By windfall you mean not letting a Reserve East F/O steal a West Captain's job.

Conditions and restrictions would have prevented that from occurring.

East Pilots - the most immoral and unethical on the planet, I'm ashamed to have to work with these guys.

Play your cards right, you won't have to. I am certain other carriers are hiring now.

 

[EastUS]

East Pilots - the most immoral and unethical on the planet, I'm ashamed to have to work with these guys.

I might suggest a bit more time spent on the farm then, and a resignation good squire. Consider all the heart wrenching "shame" you can spare yourself. Barring ever finding you a suitable spine donor....I'd be hard pressed to imagine really anyone, regardless of company affiliation, or job title, ever being overly thrilled with working with you as well. If nothing else...your vast reserves of courage, and empathy for, and allegiance to your comrades, and visions of higher purpose = wholesale surrender at every opportunity, are noble and noteworthy though.

PS: Just curious. Is there ANYTHING that you've ever believed in and fought for in your entire life?.....Ever? Do you make your evident disgust and "shame" known to your coworkers?...

 

[700UW]

Pollack did not stand for reelection.

Just because someone signed a card, does not mean they will vote for USAPA or even vote at all.

 

[EastUS]

Just because someone signed a card, does not mean they will vote for USAPA or even vote at all.

No kidding? :blink:

At least people will have a proper chance to vote.