USAPA Files

[Tiger 1050]

Wow! Great idea.

If the worsties won't play with USAPA, accede to Parker and Hemenway and tell them to just go ahead and institute LOA 93 across the board. We on the east would be no worse off than we are, and think how much money the company would save if USAPA dragged the west down to east compensation.

If they legally could they would have already... You're smarter than that.

 

[nycbusdriver]

If they legally could they would have already... You're smarter than that.

Yes, I am smarter than that. I hope you are smarter than your post.

USAPA has no legal standing as yet, so how could they have done that already?

Inquiring minds want to know?

If you're suggesting that ALPA might have acceded to the Hemenway letter, that makes even less sense. Why would ALPA do that to the only minority group of pilots where they have any hope of support? Invoking Hemenway across the board by ALPA would simply up the car count to 4,800.

 

[luvn737s]

Wow! Great idea.

If the worsties won't play with USAPA, accede to Parker and Hemenway and tell them to just go ahead and institute LOA 93 across the board. We on the east would be no worse off than we are, and think how much money the company would save if USAPA dragged the west down to east compensation.

That's what we need, more steely-eyed negotiators like you.

USAPA - Takin' it back (from our fellow pilots that never stole it in the first place)

 

[EyeInTheSky]

Not smart. Simply put, it's not smart business to piss off the people flying around in the company's biggest assets. Then again after the last six years everyone has come to expect the worst case scenario.

Later,
Eye

 

[luvn737s]

If they legally could they would have already... You're smarter than that.

Parker doesn't need USAPA's permission to do anything (but for some reason, he acts like he does).

Maybe the east will be happier with no representation, just work rules by memo and FAR.

 

[AAA73Pilot]

Maybe the east will be happier with no representation, just work rules by memo and FAR.

If that is what you would want on the west also, you're welcome to try. Not going to happen, but you can try anyway.

 

[Tiger 1050]

Yes, I am smarter than that. I hope you are smarter than your post.

USAPA has no legal standing as yet, so how could they have done that already?

Inquiring minds want to know?

If you're suggesting that ALPA might have acceded to the Hemenway letter, that makes even less sense. Why would ALPA do that to the only minority group of pilots where they have any hope of support? Invoking Hemenway across the board by ALPA would simply up the car count to 4,800.

Sorry I wasn't clear... The point that I am trying to make is this: US Airways cannot impose any kind of contract on us without the help of some bankruptcy judge. The RLA will help us in this arena. Remember a contract under the RLA does not expire it only becomes amendable until superceded. USAPA or ALPA the company cannot impose LOA 93 on the west no matter what they want to threaten...

Again, because DP is so cheap he would have done it already if they legally could...

 

[AAA73Pilot]

Well to be honest, I do not have any love in this heart for ALPA but I can tell you that if you believe for one minute that USAPA is the way to go when it comes to these consolidation games then you are not seeing the big picture...

Better think about it... That's all I'm saying.

So I guess to answer your question... I would have to say... Ummm... NOT ON YOUR LIFE!!!!

Consolidation you say? The ALPA Constitution and ByLaws, particularly between ALPA carriers got us in the mess. ALPA is a paper tiger, Tiger. It won't or can't do anything. You will at least have an inhouse that will represent only USAirways pilots. So therefore, besides the current mess, we are facing the big picture with an organization that understands fully the impotence of the supposed all powerful ALPA. All talk and no action.

So in effect we are thinking about it and then some.

BTW. I would suggest to the west to not rely on ALPA's promises. After the decertification, how much ALPA support do you expect for the next year? I would think all the other ALPA carriers will abandon you like they have us. And if not, the member mainline groups will start their own decerts. The domino effect. And Prater would be clueless to stop it.

 

[prechilill]

Not smart. Simply put, it's not smart business to piss off the people flying around in the company's biggest assets.
Later,
Eye

You guys roll over when asked by management... just look at your sickly contract and your willingness to work for the lowest wages in the industry. Of course, you probably are being fairly compensated for what you are worth.

Have a great day!

 

[AAA73Pilot]

That's what we need, more steely-eyed negotiators like you.

USAPA - Takin' it back (from our fellow pilots that never stole it in the first place)

Just remember, after winning the election, USAPA inherits both bargaining groups. We will be staffing the negotiations with professional negotiators. You might want to think about that before being spring loaded to just say "no".

 

[sharktooth]

Sorry I wasn't clear... The point that I am trying to make is this: US Airways cannot impose any kind of contract on us without the help of some bankruptcy judge. The RLA will help us in this arena. Remember a contract under the RLA does not expire it only becomes amendable until superceded. USAPA or ALPA the company cannot impose LOA 93 on the west no matter what they want to threaten...

and, when is your present contract amenable?

All RLA says is you have certain rights if a contract is imposed.

BTW, a bk judge can only impose management proposed amendments and only for the time of the bk. Once you come out, you, again, are free to exercise your rights.......

 

[AAA73Pilot]

You guys roll over when asked by management... just look at your sickly contract and your willingness to work for the lowest wages in the industry. Of course, you probably are being fairly compensated for what you are worth.

Have a great day!

The more I look at our sickly contract with a few leftover protections, I would take that any day, over your no protection contract. At least our CBA has a few "minimum" protections. What are yours? Not the TA which was designed to merge the groups, if we stay unmerged then things can change real quick. And asking for help from the mother ship as a recently voted nonmember will bring out lots of lifeboats. NOT!

Finally, we will have a union who will know how to properly represent its constituency. The GAG'ers will finally be out of power to give anything away without a vote. If you choose to participate, then you will also have the right to vote. Simple concept, isn't it?

 

[N924PS]

Wow! Great idea.

If the worsties won't play with USAPA, accede to Parker and Hemenway and tell them to just go ahead and institute LOA 93 across the board. We on the east would be no worse off than we are, and think how much money the company would save if USAPA dragged the west down to east compensation.

Your mindset is exactly the reason USAPA is a bad idea. And if it does become the new bargaining agent, dragging the combined airline down may well become a reality.

And your sophomoric "worsties" comment is another sign that you would do nothing more than exclude the West pilots from meaningful input to a new bargaining agent. 1800 disenfranchised members, thank you very much.

USAPA still has not shown me it is a better option than ALPA. ANd if you are one of "the other guys" founding father's, your posts here have made a strong case to remain with ALPA.

 

[nostradamus]

You guys roll over when asked by management... just look at your sickly contract and your willingness to work for the lowest wages in the industry. Of course, you probably are being fairly compensated for what you are worth.

Have a great day!

AWA pilots always point fingers at current AAA rates. AWA pilots worked close to 20 years at low wages.

AWA pilot quote below

"They made their decision to work at USAir; I made mine to work at America West, which, by the way, has historically been the LOWEST paid airline in the U.S. The East pilots have been paid far and above what America West pilots have been paid over the same period of time doing the same job."

AWA pilots admiting working for sub standard wage article

 

[nostradamus]

You guys roll over when asked by management... just look at your sickly contract and your willingness to work for the lowest wages in the industry. Of course, you probably are being fairly compensated for what you are worth.

Have a great day!

1995 Airline pilot average pilot wages
American $112,190
Continental $90,461
Delta $129,313
Northwest $154,586
United $135,728
US Airways $127,053
America West $77,093
Networks $124,334