usairways addresses the twu incident on usdaily

[barbeetantrums]

I Needed 2 boxs of Rags..

You wanted rags and he accidentally ordered tampons!

 

[Dea Certe]

Unions don't need these thugs in their membership. Unions need to step into the 21st century. Brains and education is needed. Not violence against other unions.

As a union member, I am deeply ashamed this criminal incident happened. It makes the IAM look like they are more concerned about dues than the betterment of the membership.

If the IAM has a better deal to offered, let it be promoted by education, intellectual action, not rank thuggery.

I've lost a lot of respect for the IAM. The IAM can prove they do not support this sort of behavior by removing all the members involved. I actively supported the IAM during their strike in '92. I was proud to walk the line with them.

I just can't believe the average IAM member supports this behavior.

Why unions are fighting each other rather than working for the betterment of their membership is most disturbing.

Dea

 

[barbeetantrums]

I've been thinking alot out the IAM-sanctioned attack and have been wondering what is bouncing around in the heads of the thuggies that caused the eye injuries of two TWU officials. These two guys may have permanently lost sight in one eye. How would one feel knowing that they caused someone to lose their sight? Regardless of the fact that these are brutal thugs, is there a part of their being that feels any remorse? What if this was just a punch that was only meant as a punch and not a blinding blow? We hope there is remorse. :unsure:

To the two individuals who may have caused debilitating eye injuries, if you are reading this, there may be an option for regaining any honor if these folks have truly become blinded in one eye: Gouge out one of your own eyes. Use a pen, nail file, anything will do. It will be the right thing to do. Suicide is not an option as it is a mortal sin.

 

[Kev3188]

I just can't believe the average IAM member supports this behavior.

That's because they don't.

 

[700UW]

I've been thinking alot out the IAM-sanctioned attack

Making things up again, I see.

The IAM did not sanction the attack, plain and simple or is that too hard for you to understand?

 

[hp_fa]

Making things up again, I see.

The IAM did not sanction the attack, plain and simple or is that too hard for you to understand?

For purposes of discussion, let's assume that is correct for the moment.

How do you explain that the 25 people allegedly involved were allegedly signed out on union business, therefore being paid by the union?

 

[700UW]

The local lodge authorizes time off throught the president of the local, it was not done by the district nor the international.

And remember the president of the lodge was wrapped up in this.

Until the full details come out we won't know what actaully transpired.

 

[gonzo]

And remember the president of the lodge was wrapped up in this.

Until the full details come out we won't know what actaully transpired.

Interpretation IMHO: "We know what happened but we are trying to come up with a believable story that will implicate only the smallest parts of the IAM. If we can we will blame who ever or what ever we can to remove the responsibility from the IAM."

 

[700UW]

Glad to see your imagination is in overdrive once again.

 

[gonzo]

Glad to see your imagination is in overdrive once again.

That is not as imaginary as you would have others believe 7.

 

[ClueByFour]

It is all spin and you got caught in it, there is no factual proof yet that is it was premeditated. When the police release the results of the investigation and/or it goes to trial the facts will come out then.

More importantly, if these 25 morons really did sign out of work on "union business" you are going to see a RICO action and probably one mother of a personal injury lawsuit that will, in all likelihood, but a severe financial burden on the IAM.

Until the full details come out we won't know what actaully transpired.

You mean besides the fact that several members (and presumably the local president) were signed out on union business and physically assaulted members of another union?

What more do you need to know?

 

[Bird Doctor]

Taken from local141 web page:
Feb. 10, 2006

Police are investigating the beating of five union organizers, and whether the attack was carried out by two dozen members of a union that wants to represent the same US Airways workers.

Boy why didn't they come out and say TWU and IBT? Some of the same suger coatting the hand out.

GET OUT OF THE QUICK SAND AND VOTE IBT

 

[D M G]

The local lodge authorizes time off throught the president of the local, it was not done by the district nor the international.

And remember the president of the lodge was wrapped up in this.

Also remember that anyone who knows anything about PHL knows that AGC pulls the strings of the LL 1776 Officers. They do what he says, when he says. Period.

The AGC, who is an Executive Officer of DL 141, is allegedly wrapped up in this too. Of course DL 141 will come out and say they knew nothing about it and they don't sanction this type of behavior, but there's no escaping the fact that one of their Officers may have been involved. Speaking of DL 141 did they come out with a statement yet on the incident. Only thing I saw posted yesterday was a letter by Canale mentioning the TWU filing for an election.

Piney:

I disagree that this was over the flow of Dues. IMO, and a lot of others in PHL, an election will almost surely mean decertification. This could lead to pay and benefit cuts as it did in the early '90s, and possibly job losses. IMO the mentality was that the TWU is putting jobs at risk at US Airways and some IAM Officers (be it DL 141 or LL 1776) also feel that their IAM positions would vanish with decert or a change to TWU. Being an AGC is a sweet job, but so is holding an Officers position at the LL since you can sign yourself out of your shift almost at will and get to take nice trips all around the country to different meetings/conferences. I understand the Dues are what allow everything else to happen, but I don't think that they thought about anything other than their IAM positions. IMO they were able to convince some of the followers that this was what needed to be done to save jobs, and the morons followed along.

 

[wings396]

Also remember that anyone who knows anything about PHL knows that AGC pulls the strings of the LL 1776 Officers. They do what he says, when he says. Period.

The AGC, who is an Executive Officer of DL 141, is allegedly wrapped up in this too. Of course DL 141 will come out and say they knew nothing about it and they don't sanction this type of behavior, but there's no escaping the fact that one of their Officers may have been involved. Speaking of DL 141 did they come out with a statement yet on the incident. Only thing I saw posted yesterday was a letter by Canale mentioning the TWU filing for an election.

Piney:

I disagree that this was over the flow of Dues. IMO, and a lot of others in PHL, an election will almost surely mean decertification. This could lead to pay and benefit cuts as it did in the early '90s, and possibly job losses. IMO the mentality was that the TWU is putting jobs at risk at US Airways and some IAM Officers (be it DL 141 or LL 1776) also feel that their IAM positions would vanish with decert or a change to TWU. Being an AGC is a sweet job, but so is holding an Officers position at the LL since you can sign yourself out of your shift almost at will and get to take nice trips all around the country to different meetings/conferences. I understand the Dues are what allow everything else to happen, but I don't think that they thought about anything other than their IAM positions. IMO they were able to convince some of the followers that this was what needed to be done to save jobs, and the morons followed along.

Please keep in mind that these are the same bunch of fine Fella's that "Struck a Deal" that permitted the outsourcing of over 20 Stations. I had to listen to their long line of B.S on the subject in person, and even saw their tempers flare when they started to get Grilled on the subject. Hopefully all of these clowns will be gone for good, and maybe they can get a job with one of the Vendors in an outsourced city for $8 an hour.
Do you really think that we could lose anything more than we have over the past few years with the IAM representing us???? We have been stripped bare of many benefits, and taken back 20 years in pay, and still paying dues for basically NOTHING. If I were still working, I would take a chance even if it meant decertification of the IAM. You can't lose anthing else once you have already lost it all. :down:

 

[delldude]

"Epidemic of union-related violence" in U.S. makes federal action necessary"
1973 Supreme Court ruling has made it all but impossible to prosecute union extortion
A 1973 Supreme Court decision effectively made vandalism, assault and even murder by union officials exempt from federal anti-extortion law, and "the result has been an epidemic of union-related violence," according to a new study from the Cato Institute.

In "Freedom from Union Violence," author David Kendrick traces the history of labor law and union violence during the 20th century, beginning with the notorious case of a former Idaho governor murdered in 1905 by union mineworkers who felt he had betrayed them by calling in federal troops during a strike. Efforts in subsequent years to use various state and federal laws to punish union violence were often ineffectual.

In 1946 Congress passed the Hobbs Act, aimed at a wide spectrum of union violence. Among other things, it defined criminal extortion as "the obtaining of property . . . by wrongful use of actual or threatened force, violence or fear [emphasis added]." In using the word "wrongful," Kendrick says, "Congress left a narrow opening through which the U.S. Supreme Court would push a bulldozer in 1973." In its decision in United States v. Enmons, the Court upheld a lower court ruling that three electrical union members indicted for sabotaging a substation and other violence had done nothing illegal because they were pursuing "legitimate" union objectives.

"The Court's misreading of the clear legislative history of the Hobbs Act is incredible," he writes. Kendrick, who is program director at the National Institute for Labor Relations Research, draws on his organization's comprehensive data file to quantify the result. "Since 1975, at least 181 Americans have died as a result of union violence," the data show. "There have also been more than 5,600 assaults, kidnappings, and threats-almost all committed by striking union militants."

Kendrick catalogs many of the most serious instances of union violence since the Enmons decision and reports that despite nearly 9,000 incidents of union-related violence since 1975, there were fewer than 2,000 arrests and only 258 convictions. Research indicates that "barely 3 percent of the violent incidents recorded in the Institute's data file have led to convictions," and thus "thousands of acts of union violence have gone unpunished," the report concludes. "Legislation such as the Freedom from Union Violence Act may be the only way" of dealing with the problem.

sounds like a good lawyer may have a field day with this....

In an August 6, 1997 letter, for instance, Houston Police Patrolmen's Union president Terry Martin urged his 1,100 members to "help our union brothers and sisters" in a Teamsters's strike against United Parcel Service. Martin asked them to target UPS trucks with non-union drivers. "Go out there and deal with the 'scabs' in the 'zero tolerance' mode that all criminals deserve to be treated with," he wrote. "Whenever the UPS strike ends I will let you know so that we may end our 'zero tolerance' against the 'scabs.'"

The International Brotherhood of Teamsters was on strike against Overnite Transportation between October 1999 and October 2002. In Overnite's resulting RICO lawsuit against the Teamsters, Memphis-based federal District Court Judge Bernice Donald said that 55 shootings and additional brick and projectile attacks against Overnite's non-striking drivers were "related to attempted murder."

20-year Overnite employee William Wonder was shot in the abdomen while driving a company vehicle near Memphis, Tennessee on December 1, 1999.

"Overnite bears a heavy responsibility here," Teamsters president James Hoffa Jr. said in a statement that appeared to capitalize on Wonder's near-fatal injuries. "Overnite can end this strike at a moment's notice with a binding agreement."

To date, no one has paid for shooting William Wonder.

this is even better