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Thanks Jim, I knew I had seen it somewhere. I've stayed tuned since that post and you know what, it's the same song over and over and over......BoeingBoy said:
I need to find a new station!
Mtnman
Usair Hanging On To Her Assets
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I need to find a new station!
Mtnman
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And the ironic things is the NLRB(National Labor Relations Board) deals with union elections for employees covered under the National Labor Relations Act, not the RLA (Railway Labor Act) which unionized airline employees fall under, and that jurisdiction is the NMB(National Mediation Board) and they only deal with union elections, contract negotiations (mediation) and dispute resolution, nothing to do with union officers and politics.
The National Mediation Board (NMB), established by the 1934 amendments to the Railway Labor Act of 1926, is an independent agency that performs a central role in facilitating harmonious labor-management relations within two of the nation's key transportation modes--the railroads and airlines. Pursuant to the Railway Labor Act, NMB programs provide an integrated dispute resolution process to effectively meet the statutory objective of minimizing work stoppages in the airline and railroad industries. The NMB's integrated processes specifically are designed to promote three statutory goals:
The prompt and orderly resolution of disputes arising out of the negotiation of new or revised collective bargaining agreements;
The effectuation of employee rights of self-organization where a representation dispute exists; and
The prompt and orderly resolution of disputes over the interpretation or application of existing agreements.
The National Mediation Board (NMB), established by the 1934 amendments to the Railway Labor Act of 1926, is an independent agency that performs a central role in facilitating harmonious labor-management relations within two of the nation's key transportation modes--the railroads and airlines. Pursuant to the Railway Labor Act, NMB programs provide an integrated dispute resolution process to effectively meet the statutory objective of minimizing work stoppages in the airline and railroad industries. The NMB's integrated processes specifically are designed to promote three statutory goals:
The prompt and orderly resolution of disputes arising out of the negotiation of new or revised collective bargaining agreements;
The effectuation of employee rights of self-organization where a representation dispute exists; and
The prompt and orderly resolution of disputes over the interpretation or application of existing agreements.
markkus757
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If it's possible to get off the pile on top of A320pilot, I think we were debating the prospect of US' competitors trying to spin off what they have to mortgage to stay alive. These companies have tried to stay out of BK by any means possible. Noble, but I think foolish under the current circumstances they find themselves in a position where ch.7 will find them, not ch. 11. Whether or not you agree with what has transpired with US, I think going forward, if the problems can be addressed, this company can survive.
BoeingBoy
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markkus757 said:
Let's discuss the thread title.
"Usair Hanging On To Her Assets while Delta, Continental eye asset sales"
Possibly true if you want to look at the last week, but over the last decade plus, what has happened at US vs DL/CO:
- Nearly 50% of the mainline fleet gone - how does that compare to DL/CO?
- At least twenty-one owned aircraft sold and leased back (this BK alone) - how does that compare to DL/CO?
- The majority of Express capacity provided by affiliates - how does that compare to DL/CO? They could sell off their owned express and still have a lower percentage of system capacity provided under contract than US (assuming the Republic deal is consummated).
Now let's substitute "markets" for "assets", as the OP suggested.
- The PSA purchase made US #1 on the west coast - gone.
- The Florida Shuttle was #1 in intra-Florida service - gone.
- BWI hub - gone
- PIT hub - gone
- A number of cities where US was by far the market leader but is now barely holding on to #1 or has relenquished the title.
- A number of cities where US was the sole carrier - gone.
How does this compare to DL/CO?
The airline industry is replete with examples of how long it takes for an airline to die - US is just the latest. So hoping that either DL or CO will go straight to CH 7 is like hoping for a white Christmas in Rio or Sydney.
Jim
PS - as far as piling on poor old USA320Pilot, who was it that first brought up union politics in this thread?
USA320Pilot said:
USA320Pilot
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BoeingBoy:
You continue to twist information with selected posts instead of telling the whole story. You know exactly what has happened and why Bill Pollock has asked ALPA International to investigate improprieties by the PHL Reps. As you know, MEC chairman Bill Pollock recently wrote Paul Rice asking him to conduct a full investigation because of action by the the PHL reps that call into question certain legalities that could cost the association $25,000. I simply posted my comments after AAviator commented how much he liked and supported the PHL Reps, who clearly lack integrity.
Why don't you post the comments of the MEC Secretary/Treasurer on this subject, since you have read them? This is exactly what I mean about your spilt message board personality when you do not post all of the facts.
I said I am not going to going to question your integrity anymore, but your misrepresentation and telling only part of the story must be stopped.
When would now be a good time for you to post all of the information instead of only looking into archives for selected information to slant the story?
When would now be a good time to have some integrity?
Best regards,
USA320Pilot
You continue to twist information with selected posts instead of telling the whole story. You know exactly what has happened and why Bill Pollock has asked ALPA International to investigate improprieties by the PHL Reps. As you know, MEC chairman Bill Pollock recently wrote Paul Rice asking him to conduct a full investigation because of action by the the PHL reps that call into question certain legalities that could cost the association $25,000. I simply posted my comments after AAviator commented how much he liked and supported the PHL Reps, who clearly lack integrity.
Why don't you post the comments of the MEC Secretary/Treasurer on this subject, since you have read them? This is exactly what I mean about your spilt message board personality when you do not post all of the facts.
I said I am not going to going to question your integrity anymore, but your misrepresentation and telling only part of the story must be stopped.
When would now be a good time for you to post all of the information instead of only looking into archives for selected information to slant the story?
When would now be a good time to have some integrity?
Best regards,
USA320Pilot
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PineyBob:
Right...yea, you got it. Not.
I provide facts and then the argument to support my position. BoeingBoy intentionally leaves out important details to try to discredit others. He knows full well about the investigation and the actions taken by ALPA, but he and AAviator failed to provide that part of the story.
In my book that is a lack of integrity. I'll simply post a column from the parties and I will not lay with pigs because when you do you get muddy too. The RC4 and their supporters simply lie and I have no use for liars. Maybe you do, but I do not.
Regards,
USA320Pilot
Right...yea, you got it. Not.
I provide facts and then the argument to support my position. BoeingBoy intentionally leaves out important details to try to discredit others. He knows full well about the investigation and the actions taken by ALPA, but he and AAviator failed to provide that part of the story.
In my book that is a lack of integrity. I'll simply post a column from the parties and I will not lay with pigs because when you do you get muddy too. The RC4 and their supporters simply lie and I have no use for liars. Maybe you do, but I do not.
Regards,
USA320Pilot
USA320Pilot said:
Because as most have figured out, Pollock, Deangelo and the 8 MEC members you support are politically motivated against PHL because they are part of the "RC 4". They have no credibility because all this is a another "he said, she said" event in ones side trying to trump the other. To throw around Pollock's mane as credible and unbiased is comical at best because eveyone here knows your game and motiivations. Pollock and Deangelo speaking on this is, is as unbiased as Bush or Gore on the Supreme Court's decision in 2000. Just because they lead doesn't mean they are unbiased or politically motivated. Pollock is MEC charmain because elections take place on a 1-1 Senatorial vote and can be tossed out by Roll Calling which is based on actual representation. The representative majority vote held by PIT & PHL would love to see him gone and anything that is counterproductive to those MEC members would be in his best interestts. That's the whole story.
BoeingBoy
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And you say others give a one-sided view. Then there's the question of posting private e-mails - something your friend Garland regularly does while others are admonished not to.
I'm surprised you can spell integrity, your friend from BOS obviously can't....
Respectfully,
Jim
I'm surprised you can spell integrity, your friend from BOS obviously can't....
Respectfully,
Jim
Is this the same T/A that you -personally- threatened legal action over if it were not sent out to the membership for vote? Don't try to muddy the waters with other irrelevant bullsh1t about some negotiating school. It has NO relevance with your position. I'm talking about your vote, and your now apparent position that Alpa gave the company too much.USA320Pilot said:
YOU said:
A union’s responsibility to the membership is to get the best deal possible and not negotiate a deal worse than the company’s opener. Do you agree with that?
I agree.
You threatened financial ruin to these guys if they DIDN'T send the T/A to the membership.
I'm asking for some integrity from you to stand by your statement here.
Ethics. Pure and simple.
Don't flap about negotiators being weak, or whatever else you can think of,...
Show some integrity.
