Keep believing the lies. It could get real expensive.
Clear, I am not going to get down into exchanging fighting words, that is counter to what the chat site should be about.
Take a look at the LM-2 filings from your union. Listed under communications is a standard $5000.00 PER MONTH bill. That number has not varied. It does not matter how many calls came in. It is the same price. So there were no “huge†bills.
I believe you misunderstand the LM-2. It covered 7/1/2008 through 3/31/2009. That $5K/month was for communication consultation (hotline stuff) and it didnt start until July 2008, long after the RICO suit stopped the problems. We use a number of other communications/phone/security sources, including GTI, AT&T, WAYPOINT, NUVOX and SYSTEL. Please restate your point if I am misunderstanding you.
One last thing to think about. It any of it was true why did the judge throw it out of court WITH PREJUDICE?
I won't respond or reprint your other accusations, but our RICO was dismissed in Federal court, not state. Your DFR was dismissed in State court, not Federal.
Speaking of LM-2 let’s take a look.
The first LM-2 covering 7/1/2007- 6/30/2008
Listed
Members 2524
Non members 2537
Total 5061
Second LM-2
Covering 7/1/2008- 3/31/2009
Members 3218
Non-member 1535
Total 4753
To start with there were only 1800 west guys. That means that 737 EAST pilots objected to USAPA. We only have a change of 694. That is about the amount of west pilots that joined. So yes the EAST side is stuck at about 2600-2800 members. Sched 13. It appears that it took a long time to crack that 50% majority mark. Just barley at the 2/3 level now. Not a real stellar union when 1/3 wants nothing to do with it.
BTW looks like USAPA needs to update their web site and information that goes to the press. USAPA only represents 4753 not the 5200 listed and quoted so many times. Really closer to 3200 but that is for another time.
Again, I won't reply to accusations. I have come to the conclusion it is not a good use of chat board privledge. The initial dues-paying membership was 2524, 10 weeks into USAPA representation. Its now 3218. Major strides in new members. ALPA and very other union use the term "representing" to include all pilots, furloughed, objectors, in their public relations releases. Not only do we include furloughees and objectors in our PR, we protect them best we can. For furloughees with medical insurance make-up, job info, a separate committee, grievances which we hope will get them (both East and West) back to work and refusal to add to the frulough list with a contract that doesn't protect those still working. LM-2s only report actual working pilots. I hope that explains the difference to you. The increase in membership of 694, especially when considering furloughs of 270, is not membership stalling as you previously said.
The numbers in the 3-31-09 LM-2 were 3218/4753 (active). That's 68% membership and 5 month old data. On 3-31 you had about 1700 active pilots. About 12% were members. So East had about 2900 members of the 3100 east active or 95% of the East active pilots were members. Your 737 East objector number is not correct.
I never said that the depositions did not happen. I asked if they had been read in their entirety or just the biased cliff note version of someone recollection. Never did get an answer to that question.
As I remember, you asked if I had read them. I never said I had or hadn't. I don't know why you are so concerned, since you believe all was legit on the list that ALPA gave to our MC to present to Nic.
Since it was edited I must now correct. The 2800 number is not mine, it came from the usapa web site election results. Are you saying that either usapa lied on the LM-2 or they lied on the election?
I don't get this pre-occuation with "lied." It is a fighting word in your context. I hope the above explanation of PR numbers Vs NMB numbers give you some peace on the issue.
