US Pilots' Labor Thread 9/4 to 9/17--STAY ON TOPIC

[nic4us]

I understand Mme. cleary and co. collected their FPL this week by walking the Amerijet picket line for a while. One day in MIA will get you 3 days FPL, whos in?

Also in his labor day message, Mme. cleary promises usapa is planning on a legal work stoppage at the first opportunity. He convienently fails to mention that this opportunity will never materialize, would fail if it did, and would pull the trigger of the gun usapa is holding against its own head.

Tough talk from the desperate?

 

[Hawkhunter]

I understand Mme. cleary and co. collected their FPL this week by walking the Amerijet picket line for a while. One day in MIA will get you 3 days FPL, whos in?

Also in his labor day message, Mme. cleary promises usapa is planning on a legal work stoppage at the first opportunity. He convienently fails to mention that this opportunity will never materialize, would fail if it did, and would pull the trigger of the gun usapa is holding against its own head.

Tough talk from the desperate?

I know a lot of you guys have crossed the line, why dont you try walking it?

 

[Metroyet]

I know a lot of you guys have crossed the line, why dont you try walking it?

Insist your organization attempt to gain some integrity, remove the knife from the backs of the West, Drop your silly un-winnable lawsuits, fire that leach Seham, accept the Nic. (as it's a fact one way or another) and then Maybe there's something to talk about. Until then...I'd say the dream of a Strike is as DOA as DOH.

 

[luvn737s]

I understand Mme. cleary and co. collected their FPL this week by walking the Amerijet picket line for a while. One day in MIA will get you 3 days FPL, whos in?

Also in his labor day message, Mme. cleary promises usapa is planning on a legal work stoppage at the first opportunity. He convienently fails to mention that this opportunity will never materialize, would fail if it did, and would pull the trigger of the gun usapa is holding against its own head.

Tough talk from the desperate?

What is the difference between profiteers who willingly take the work that rightfully belongs to another pilot and the east's major expansion into formerly west flying during this period of separate operations? I would think a labor leader such as Cleary would stand up and be outraged to allow such activity.

Can we get some Amerijet pilots to help staff an anti-USAPA picket line in PHX?

 

[Phoenix]

I have read the word desperate a lot over the last couple years.. and the volume is increasing dramatically. It seems to me there are some folks desperate to convince the East that they are desperate.

I can't help but remember all the mail I got from ALPA before April 17th. I tried to sell my extensive collection on E-Bay, but there were no takers.

 

[N924PS]

What is the difference between profiteers who willingly take the work that rightfully belongs to another pilot and the east's major expansion into formerly west flying during this period of separate operations?

As Parker and Kirby have stated in Crew News sessions, there is no "major expansion" from the East. Rather a trade off to capture the synergies (don't you just love that word) of the merger absent the ability to fly each others fleet.

Many of the former East routes are now being flown on West metal. No pilot East or West is profiting or is likely to profit in any way under separate operations.

Since recent aircraft deliveries are not covered under the tail numbers in the T/A, perhaps those aircraft can be flown by either pilot group in the near future.

I too am puzzled by the enthusiasm of Cleary and Company involving themselves in Amerijet's dispute. Maybe they want to represent their pilots going forward.

 

[73320]

I understand Mme. cleary and co. collected their FPL this week by walking the Amerijet picket line for a while. One day in MIA will get you 3 days FPL, whos in?

Also in his labor day message, Mme. cleary promises usapa is planning on a legal work stoppage at the first opportunity. He convienently fails to mention that this opportunity will never materialize, would fail if it did, and would pull the trigger of the gun usapa is holding against its own head.

Tough talk from the desperate?

I bet they spent more time in MIA with Amerijet than they did in Phoenix. I think they were holding court in Phoenix for about 2 hours, no more than 3 hours for sure. Whats that saying "Watch what they do, not what they say". This will all end badly I am sure. It probably should have ended badly 5 - 10 years ago and most here would be happily (or unhappily as is often the case) employed elsewhere. Those that left in that time frame remarkably could hold Captain at Continental right now.

 

[aquagreen73s]

Those that left in that time frame remarkably could hold Captain at Continental right now.

But....should LCC merge with CAL, then it'll be fair to put 21 year F/Os on top of those who had the foresight to find greener pastures. . . at least, according to some it would be fair.

 

[Megasnoop]

I have read the word desperate a lot over the last couple years.. and the volume is increasing dramatically. It seems to me there are some folks desperate to convince the East that they are desperate.

Desperate is as desperate does, phoenix. Meanwhile, we'll wait out the Ninth and LOA84. What happens happens. The cost of all that litigation we didn't start? Maybe we'll have to pay it, maybe not. With $2.2M in accounts receivable coming in as fast as Section 29 letters go out, I think we'll survive. I can't wait for the damages. Now whose delaying on that one?

Last week Clear wrote,

"I think a little simple math is in order.

USAPA says they represent 5200 pilots. The last election results listed 2812 as eligible voters. That is only 52% of the pilots are migs. Not a good record. About the same as 16 months ago. Not making real progress are they."

No offense meant, but the math is a little off. Hard for a furloughee to be a MIG. As of last LM-2, 3218 members, 1535 agency fee. Membership not exactly stalled at 2812. That alone makes the rest of his chat not repliable to. They'll see me in there on the LM-2, with all my FPL. I'm on Schedule 11 or was that 12?

Who was wound up about the MDA depos? Whoever, listen to boeing, we all know I made all that up. Those depos NEVER happened. Right? But if you want the dates and times.

 

[cleardirect]

Are you talking about the 40% that sent s**t in the mail and ran up huge phone bills for our union?

Keep believing the lies. It could get real expensive.

First point. Point to the complaint where anyone was named or charged with mailing anything.

Second, “ran up huge billsâ€￾

Take a look at the LM-2 filings from your union. Listed under communications is a standard $5000.00 PER MONTH bill. That number has not varied. It does not matter how many calls came in. It is the same price. So there were no “hugeâ€￾ bills.

Care to starting thinking? What was the real reason for a multi million dollar law suit against individual west pilots.

It was not mail and it was not phone calls. It goes back to poor decision making skills and vindictive attitudes.

One last thing to think about. It any of it was true why did the judge throw it out of court WITH PREJUDICE?

 

[V1cut]

Oye...this is great. I've been monitoring all day....and here's what I get: NON-ANSWERS.
On a direct question "Aqua" defers. After much posturing.
Here's the fact: the exact same charge against the company by AOL was dismissed by Wake.
The reason for the dismissal? SEPERATE OPS.
The exact same charge against USAPA? Hmmm....SEPERATE OPS.
Sound familiar? Don't buy the 'vette yet. Or...go ahead, if the AOL says so, do it. I wouldn't, but then again, I don't work for the AOL....you guys do.

 

[cleardirect]

Desperate is as desperate does, phoenix. Meanwhile, we'll wait out the Ninth and LOA84. What happens happens. The cost of all that litigation we didn't start? Maybe we'll have to pay it, maybe not. With $2.2M in accounts receivable coming in as fast as Section 29 letters go out, I think we'll survive. I can't wait for the damages. Now whose delaying on that one?

Last week Clear wrote,

"I think a little simple math is in order.

USAPA says they represent 5200 pilots. The last election results listed 2812 as eligible voters. That is only 52% of the pilots are migs. Not a good record. About the same as 16 months ago. Not making real progress are they."

No offense meant, but the math is a little off. Hard for a furloughee to be a MIG. As of last LM-2, 3218 members, 1535 agency fee. Membership not exactly stalled at 2812. That alone makes the rest of his chat not repliable to. They'll see me in there on the LM-2, with all my FPL. I'm on Schedule 11 or was that 12?

Who was wound up about the MDA depos? Whoever, listen to boeing, we all know I made all that up. Those depos NEVER happened. Right? But if you want the dates and times.

“The cost of all that litigation we didn’t start?â€￾ I believe that the RICO suit was filed by USAPA first. Read the legal fees memo. The reason that we are asking for the fees is because the east STARTED USAPA to avoid the Nicolau. If everyone had accepted the arbitration we would not have been in court. So yes the east did start the litigation both times. I guess USAPA did not start litigation against the PBGC either.

Speaking of LM-2 let’s take a look.

The first LM-2 covering 7/1/2007- 6/30/2008

Listed

Members 2524
Non members 2537
Total 5061

Second LM-2
Covering 7/1/2008- 3/31/2009

Members 3218
Non-member 1535
Total 4753

To start with there were only 1800 west guys. That means that 737 EAST pilots objected to USAPA. We only have a change of 694. That is about the amount of west pilots that joined. So yes the EAST side is stuck at about 2600-2800 members. Sched 13. It appears that it took a long time to crack that 50% majority mark. Just barley at the 2/3 level now. Not a real stellar union when 1/3 wants nothing to do with it.

BTW looks like USAPA needs to update their web site and information that goes to the press. USAPA only represents 4753 not the 5200 listed and quoted so many times. Really closer to 3200 but that is for another time.

I never said that the depositions did not happen. I asked if they had been read in their entirety or just the biased cliff note version of someone recollection. Never did get an answer to that question.

Since it was edited I must now correct. The 2800 number is not mine, it came from the usapa web site election results. Are you saying that either usapa lied on the LM-2 or they lied on the election?

 

[V1cut]

Hilarious. Nobody west of the Mississippi can answer (or will answer) the question. Explain to us all, in a legal format, the case you intend to make in your "harm".

That, in itself, will be funny enough.

I can now cancel my cable.....this will be way better.

 

[V1cut]

I'd like to illustrate the failure of the west pilots to respond to the simple questions posed to them.

(If you have no viable answer, don't answer)

Alrighty then.

 

[flyer63]

I think it's great that the union is supporting another that is in strike mode. If we had more of that in the Aviation business we would be better off. It's important for the company to know that we are not putting up with anymore of their BS and crappys offers... We get the contract we deserve. Sign me up to walk the line, I've done it before and will again. Heck if the west wants to cross the line , so be it.