US Pilots Labor Discussion 7/28- STAY ON TOPIC AND OBSERVE THE RULES

[e28]

Ms, Mrs or whoever....

Why are you concerned if the West pilots sue? From what I have read you are not a pilot for US Airways. Am I correct?

Neither is 767jetz...neither am I...whats your point?

I'm curious: whats the AOL gonna do if the company gets an answer from the court that allows for the USAPA position?

 

[Metroyet]

Neither is 767jetz...neither am I...whats your point?

I'm curious: whats the AOL gonna do if the company gets an answer from the court that allows for the USAPA position?

The Question is: Can the West Pilots sue us? If they're indemnified, big deal. USAPA still has a DFR and once a DOH contract is ratified, DFR 2.0 begins anew. This time I'd expect an injunction issued from the bench. Probably take a matter of weeks...if that.

 

[snapthis]

Neither is 767jetz...neither am I...whats your point?

I'm curious: whats the AOL gonna do if the company gets an answer from the court that allows for the USAPA position?

Because this individual is not a casual observer. I've read a number of her posts that have the appearance of something other than a casual observer.

I'm curious myself, that's pretty much it in a nutshell.

 

[cleardirect]

Neither is 767jetz...neither am I...whats your point?

I'm curious: whats the AOL gonna do if the company gets an answer from the court that allows for the USAPA position?

Easy! AOL will wait for a ratified contract and file suit the next day along with an injunction. Remember this is a company law suit not AOL.

The more difficult question is what will the company do if the court allows binding arbitration to be disregarded. Is the company willing to move off of the Nicolau knowing that they may be sued? What is the company going to want from usapa if they give them anything other than Nicolau? Because believe me the east will pay for DOH.

 

[e28]

Easy! AOL will wait for a ratified contract and file suit the next day along with an injunction. Remember this is a company law suit not AOL.

The more difficult question is what will the company do if the court allows binding arbitration to be disregarded. Is the company willing to move off of the Nicolau knowing that they may be sued? What is the company going to want from usapa if they give them anything other than Nicolau? Because believe me the east will pay for DOH.

You are a funny guy...know that? Do you really believe that the threat of a west lawsuit dictates what will happen? Are you insane? If the company gets a green light about accepting something other than Nic you better give yourself a gut-check there daddy-o...

Or not....it's obvious that the west will go down swinging...have at it.

 

[Crzipilot]

No it is not.

Who gets furloughed with DOH and fences vs the NIC list and fences ?

Would you vote for a contract with the NIC list and fences?

If so why doesn't USAPA put it a contract proposal?

as a matter of fact I just might, show me the details. How many people would have been furloughed from the west had it not been for the t/a with min. block hours, with the pull down of LAS and cuts in PHX?

Just sayin....

 

[e28]

"...if the court allows binding arbitration to be disregarded...." -cleardirect

let me get this straight there chief...if that happens, you're gonna sue....do I have that right?

hahahahaha!

I needed that...thanks man!

 

[e28]

Was it something I said?...

Hahahaah!

OMG thats funny.

 

[cleardirect]

"...if the court allows binding arbitration to be disregarded...." -cleardirect

let me get this straight there chief...if that happens, you're gonna sue....do I have that right?

hahahahaha!

I needed that...thanks man!

I suggest that you read the company filing. That is what they are asking the court. Can they disregard binding arbitration and not get sued.

Yes the company takes the west law suit quite seriously.

If the company gets a pass to disregard binding arbitration usapa is still on the hook for DFR. The company is asking abou their liability not usapa's. In their filling they have already said they believe the usapa is violating RLA and they don't want any part of it.

40. USAPA’s current and continued insistence on an integrated seniority list
that is based on “date-of-hire” principles rather than the Nicolau Award violates Section 2,
First, of the Railway Labor Act because such insistence constitutes a failure “to exert
every reasonable effort” to reach agreement with US Airways on a combined collective
bargaining agreement.

Question. If you think the company can get the court to agree that binding arbitration can be ignored.
Why is usapa fighting so hard against it?

Why not let the company get their free pass and negotiate seniority like usapa wants? usapa just filed an emergency stay to stop the companies law suit. What is usapa worried about? Cleary said the ninth gave usapa permission to get DOH right. No problem then go to court and get permission unless cleary is afraid what he has been trying to sell is wrong.

 

[e28]

If the company gets a pass to disregard binding arbitration usapa is still on the hook for DFR.-cleardirect

Hello....USAPA is ALWAYS on the hook for a DFR. Did you just wake up? The 1920's are calling for you. Every union in this country is "on the hook for a DFR.."

A better question is this: do you know that "DFR" is inherent in EVERY union in this country?

Lets be clear about definitions before you go all "cagy" on us...

Duty of Fair Representation. DFR does not mean..."in violation of said responsibility.."

Lets keep the terminology correct, shall we?

You were saying?

 

[e28]

I suggest that you read the company filing. That is what they are asking the court. Can they disregard binding arbitration and not get sued.

Yes the company takes the west law suit quite seriously.

If the company gets a pass to disregard binding arbitration usapa is still on the hook for DFR. The company is asking abou their liability not usapa's. In their filling they have already said they believe the usapa is violating RLA and they don't want any part of it.



Question. If you think the company can get the court to agree that binding arbitration can be ignored.
Why is usapa fighting so hard against it?

Why not let the company get their free pass and negotiate seniority like usapa wants? usapa just filed an emergency stay to stop the companies law suit. What is usapa worried about? Cleary said the ninth gave usapa permission to get DOH right. No problem then go to court and get permission unless cleary is afraid what he has been trying to sell is wrong.

This is actually kinda sad...

USAPA, from what I gather, doesn't want the company to claim any "free passes" on ANYTHING.
Why would they support that? I agree with that position.

Parker wants to save a few hundred thousand dollars explaining the 1-2-3's of life to people like you...

Re-read what you've posted here and you'll see why.

Smart move, In my opinion.

 

[cleardirect]

Yes that must be it. Marty Harper could not have said that.... the reporter must have got the quote wrong.

If you don't like the message then shoot the messenger. Just make sure you aim at Marty and not Ted.

underpants

Well it looks like Ted "the pet" has admitted his mistake in misquoting Marty Harper. Added a correction to his blog.

Why must you guys continue to defend the in-defendable?

Anyone care to man up apologize and admit they were wrong in accusing the RICO defendants?

Seems a NC federal judge and three southern appellate judges from way across the country agreed that USAPA’s case was BS.

 

[e28]

40. USAPA’s current and continued insistence on an integrated seniority list
that is based on “date-of-hire” principles rather than the Nicolau Award violates Section 2,
First, of the Railway Labor Act because such insistence constitutes a failure “to exert
every reasonable effort” to reach agreement with US Airways on a combined collective
bargaining agreement.-cleardirect

Oh, I see.
You must be right.
This isn't anything like the company requiring a Federal Mediator 6 months into negotiations...is it?

Wow!...I mean..WOW!

Parker needed help so early in the process..and now they claim USAPA is the reason you dont have a contract...

Hahahahaha

OMG...my gut hurts!

And how much is a combined contract expected to cost the company?

Hahaha!... you kill me dude.

 

[e28]

Cleardirect, would you like to respond to any parts of this discussion you and I are having?..or do you prefer to dig up "old ammo" that hasn't worked yet...

Lets talk about your lawsuit wherein you sue as soon as the court says the No-Nic is OK for the company...

I see you scrambling over old news in yet another vain attempt to be relevent.

Please, stay on topic here.

 

[Pi brat]

One has to wonder why the west pilots are always so hell-bent to sue. That's the way it appears to the
casual observer.

Go ask your reps how many times that they had EAST pilots (yes, more than one) tell them the RICO was wrong, that they would lose and that if they didn't drop it the union and individual reps were likely to be sued. If they are sued they have no one else to blame but themselves.