US Pilots Labor Discussion 7/28- STAY ON TOPIC AND OBSERVE THE RULES

[PullUp]

The geographical location of the investors is irrelevant All of that money was sitting on the sidelines, not going into US Airways until Parker came along. The fact that people with money had to come in and bail your ass out again shows that any expectations you had just prior to the merger were misguided, at best.

You must understand that it is a fact that the company survived along with the employees. It is at best highly irrelevant as to why or who saved whom. What is important is who was really pulling the strings and had interests beyond those of the company.
There is and was a lot more going on here than just Parker's or his predecessor's quarterly statements.
Think about ripples and why the govm't bailed out AIG's ass.
The failure and shutdown of the company was not the first choice for anyone with an interest in seeing any investments returned. The major money backers: airframe and engine manufacturers, leasing companies, credit card companies, insurance companies, and anyone else USAirways owed money to didn't want the company to fail.
What employees wanted was irrelevant. Most upper management employees had bolted due to wage cuts and the general 'titanic' mood of the headquarters. Replacement management was needed quickly, money was available, and Parker said OK.

So, did the west pilots have ANY say-so in whether Parker and co. would participate in this merger? I think not.
Have the west pilots done anything to 'save' the east pilots jobs? I think not.

Parker's self interest and desire to instantly grow his operation to become a bigger player in this industry drove the whole thing.
Now, he's connected with big east money, is becoming more respectable for turning a profit (albeit on the backs of his employees), and can be counted on to be a survivor in any future merge here.
Wall street offered Parker admission to the bigtime, to be a major player - all the while saving some other big companies' asses in the process.
It's all about the $$$ - that's the only reason anyone is employed at LCC.
Have a great day.

 

[traderjake]

For those who have access to Wings, you have got to go watch the latest pilot crew news in PHX.

Aside from the sophomoric "yuk yuk" by the 757 FO about not being drunk (not to mention in very poor taste considering the history), the west pilot's frustration at not being able to cash in on their lottery win is becoming very evident and palatable.

The AWA pilots are absolutely convinced that they have every right to steal each and every east pilot's job, and they can not believe that they are being prevented from doing it.

Only a USAPA supporter believes that not having your job stolen is a winning lottery ticket.

The rest of the world knows that difference between right and wrong.

 

[mikey60]

Only a USAPA supporter believes that not having your job stolen is a winning lottery ticket.

The rest of the world knows that difference between right and wrong.

 

[mikey60]

I think the PHX crew news video pretty well explained the company view.

1. If the court rules that the nic is it. Thats what the company will go with.

2. If it rules that the company should go with what the union wants. Thats going to be it.

3. Maybe the company can make its own intergration.

For us pilots, its out of our hands right now but lets keep argueing my mother in law is visiting.

 

[informed]

Only a USAPA supporter believes that not having your job stolen is a winning lottery ticket.

The rest of the world knows that difference between right and wrong.

Except the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals.

They tossed out the honorable Judge Wakes trial. They clarified no damages. They denied an En Banc hearing. They denied the motion for waiting for the Supreme Court to hear the Wests case. A rule 60b is an absolute joke and insult to the court system. Your 28j Jacobs should stick to medical symptoms.

I suggest you sue 28j Jacobs for malpractice, you have a sure bet there. Dream on.

 

[luvthe9]

None of this BS matters any way the west which is losing money for our airline will or should be sold of to Republic of Mesa. The east is so sick of subidzing the west, and why is it that everybody on the east would love to get rid of the west yet nobody on the west would love to see us separate!!!!l

 

[fatherabraham]

None of this BS matters any way the west which is losing money for our airline will or should be sold of to Republic of Mesa. The east is so sick of subidzing the west, and why is it that everybody on the east would love to get rid of the west yet nobody on the west would love to see us separate!!!!l

luvthe9,
Yup, walks like a duck...quacks like a duck..........

Your post is what non-lottery ticket winners see......the 99.9999999999% !
The balance see post 500
FA

 

[PullUp]

This just in:

USAPA Legal Update

Yesterday, August 6, 2010, the Addington co-defendants in the Company's declaratory judgment lawsuit before Judge Silver in federal court in Phoenix filed a brief opposing the Association's motion to stay that case (pending resolution of the Addington appeal before the promised petition to the Supreme Court). They then cross-filed their brief with Judge Wake via a Notice of Filing (a device that lets a court know that or what was filed in another court), although he has no jurisdiction over the Association's motion because the Company's lawsuit was assigned to Judge Silver and no transfer has occurred. In essence, the Addington co-defendants ask Judge Silver to allow the Company to continue to sue them. The Company has not yet responded to the Association's motion to stay. The Association has the right to file a reply brief.

Also yesterday, August 6, 2010, the Addington plaintiffs in the case still pending at the Ninth Circuit filed with Judge Wake a motion for relief from judgment. In essence the motion asks judge Wake to overturn the Ninth Circuit's ruling that the complaint is not ripe and the district court is without jurisdiction over it. The Mandate of the Ninth Circuit will issue within days. When it does it will require Judge Wake to dismiss the lawsuit and all pending motions. The Association has the immediate right to ask the Ninth Circuit to enforce its Mandate if that should become necessary.

USAPA Legal

Have a great day.

 

[Metroyet]

Now, he's connected with big east money, is becoming more respectable for turning a profit (albeit on the backs of his employees)

If Parker is making any money off the backs of the employees, he's doing so with the full compliance of USAPA. They created this mess and handed Parker the Keys to vault. Nobody, (outside of delusional Easties) has a shred...a SHRED of sympathy of any Easties feelings of injustice. At this point, their misery is strictly a product of their OWN creation.

Who Cares?

 

[Metroyet]

This just in:

USAPA Legal Update

Yesterday, August 6, 2010, the Addington co-defendants in the Company's declaratory judgment lawsuit before Judge Silver in federal court in Phoenix filed a brief opposing the Association's motion to stay that case (pending resolution of the Addington appeal before the promised petition to the Supreme Court). They then cross-filed their brief with Judge Wake via a Notice of Filing (a device that lets a court know that or what was filed in another court), although he has no jurisdiction over the Association's motion because the Company's lawsuit was assigned to Judge Silver and no transfer has occurred. In essence, the Addington co-defendants ask Judge Silver to allow the Company to continue to sue them. The Company has not yet responded to the Association's motion to stay. The Association has the right to file a reply brief.

Also yesterday, August 6, 2010, the Addington plaintiffs in the case still pending at the Ninth Circuit filed with Judge Wake a motion for relief from judgment. In essence the motion asks judge Wake to overturn the Ninth Circuit's ruling that the complaint is not ripe and the district court is without jurisdiction over it. The Mandate of the Ninth Circuit will issue within days. When it does it will require Judge Wake to dismiss the lawsuit and all pending motions. The Association has the immediate right to ask the Ninth Circuit to enforce its Mandate if that should become necessary.

USAPA Legal

Have a great day.

As Per Normal, the "Legal" folks forgot to mention a few facts about these new filings. The truth will become evident shortly enough.

Do any Easties ever get tired of having their intelligence insulted by their own "union"?

 

[cleardirect]

None of this BS matters any way the west which is losing money for our airline will or should be sold of to Republic of Mesa. The east is so sick of subidzing the west, and why is it that everybody on the east would love to get rid of the west yet nobody on the west would love to see us separate!!!!l

Watch the crew news. F/A version. Kirby said that PHL and PHX are equal in the amount of money they make.

Kind of blows your theory.

But I agree the east should have been left to die. It would have helped the entire industry. But again watch the crew news from CLT. An east F/A made the suggestion to sell off one side. NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.

 

[fatherabraham]

All,
Just watched S. Kirky deliver his crew news to Phx pilots and F/A.
I sure got a different take on west sentiment/confidence vs this board.
I don't think even you westies posting here can spin the reality of what he told you reference AWA "buying" Usairways or Nic "accaptance" by mgt., but i have learned better. You will surely try.
So sorry for your ongoing denial.
FA

 

[Freighterguynow]

Suggest all watch the FA video as well as to the economic future of PHX as well.

Zero chance for growth out West and the economy out there better turn the corner quickly or we'll be following Southwest's lead by pulling capacity.

East will be adding more routes.

 

[A320 Driver]

Watch the crew news. F/A version. Kirby said that PHL and PHX are equal in the amount of money they make.

Kind of blows your theory.

But I agree the east should have been left to die. It would have helped the entire industry. But again watch the crew news from CLT. An east F/A made the suggestion to sell off one side. NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.

Now who's saying "I got mine, up yours" ??? This is VERY personal sir!

Driver B)

 

[cleardirect]

Suggest all watch the FA video as well as to the economic future of PHX as well.

Zero chance for growth out West and the economy out there better turn the corner quickly or we'll be following Southwest's lead by pulling capacity.

East will be adding more routes.

If that is true. Why would the west ever agree to be locked into PHX for the next10 years under DOH?