US Pilots Labor Discussion 3/19- STAY ON TOPIC AND OBSERVE THE RULES

[HPearlyretiree]

1. We had stupid ALPA Mec pilots.

2. No, I actually happened to be discussing this with some folks that have read a few books about legal issues. I guess in your lingo, you could refer to them as some of my Cro-Magnon friends as you have in the past.

I deal with employment law every day, have been for 20 years, I'll match my experience in the field versus yours any day. Only difference is that I have not ever been in a union, nor will I ever be in a union, god willing.

Hey, since you know so much, what does "binding arbitration" mean?

 

[HPearlyretiree]

And then that "bottom feeder" bought the broken shards of what we left of a "legacy carrier". Wow. That's GOT to sting.

PS..you use Wikipedia for reference? LOL. That's awesome. Did you edit it first?

They HATE it when you point out that AWA saved the broken down USAirways from liquidation. But, truth hurts.

 

[veritasaequitas]

I deal with employment law every day, have been for 20 years, I'll match my experience in the field versus yours any day. Only difference is that I have not ever been in a union, nor will I ever be in a union, god willing.

Hey, since you know so much, what does "binding arbitration" mean?

1. Congratulations on the softness of your hands.

2, When it does not meet the requirements of ALPA merger policy. The latest date of hire longevity policy of the Air Line Pilots Association regarding mergers (changed many times throughout the years) is evidence of misappropriation of seniority policy by ALPA.

Every work group of USAirways went date of hire. ALPA is now advocating date of hire. Note to John Prater, president of ALPA, nice try pal. You picked the wrong group to add the fine print and an amendment to natures way of handling order in a society.

 

[cleardirect]

Sounds like many on both sides of this food fight have run out of food and are now hurtling dishes, knives and forks.

I have an idea. What if both sides formed a bipartisan committee - consisting of some of the more vociferous posters here - and explore the possiblity of approaching management with a strategy for a pilot supported fragmentation plan in which the west goes one way and the east goes another.

IOW, we actually encourage management to fragment us in the next round of consolidation. We provide a plan on how to do so in a structured and orderly way. We offer our support. We telegraph the same to the industry.

Any potential suitor or suitors have thus far been disinclined to involve themselves with this labor quagmire. An official position on the part of the company that they are seeking to merge out either the west or the east, or both separately, with pilot support, may actually change the dynamics and motivation in the consolidation arena.

Such a plan, for example, could provide a provision in which east pilots go west and west go east, if they accept Nicolau or DOH - for those who place geographic location above location on a particular seniority list.

Every time I visit this website I become more convinced we, east and west, will never be able to work together in the same cockpits. Perhaps we are wasting our time fighting the wrong battle, because whichever side wins still ends up sleeping with the enemy.

Tell me why I'm wrong.

Well we saw how DAL reacted to the proposed merger with US Airways. Keep Delta my Delta.

Does anyone think that there is an airline out there that would welcome the east pilots to their ranks? Your reputation has proceeded you. I would guess that any attempt to fragment and join another airline will be met with much resistance.

Keep hoping for some way to avoid the Nicolau but it is here to stay. We are joined in this mess for good. There will be no second chance, time to accept this and put the two sides together.

Ever heard what UAL has to say about the last time USA and UAL tried to merge. Left a lot of bad feelings. How has AA treated their merger partners? TWA just wanted a fair deal. They were good people. How about a group that can not be trusted, what would AA pilots do?

CAL, after the names you guys have called them and Prater. Sure enjoy that one.

Seriously think that they will go ahead and offer DOH?

Keep looking for that magic bullet.

 

[veritasaequitas]

They HATE it when you point out that AWA saved the broken down USAirways from liquidation. But, truth hurts.

How the merger got off the ground

Truth hurts, facts sooth. You brought this up by the way.

 

[cleardirect]

1. Congratulations on the softness of your hands.

2, When it does not meet the requirements of ALPA merger policy. The latest date of hire longevity policy of the Air Line Pilots Association regarding mergers (changed many times throughout the years) is evidence of misappropriation of seniority policy by ALPA.

Every work group of USAirways went date of hire. ALPA is now advocating date of hire. Note to John Prater, president of ALPA, nice try pal. You picked the wrong group to add the fine print and an amendment to natures way of handling order in a society.

Keep reading it wrong. Disappointment is around the corner.

Even if it had changed. So what? Ours is done, it is the Nicolau nothing is going to change that. Time to get used to it.

ALPA merger policy has NOT been changed to DOH. The last change to ALPA merger policy was 1992. Not an often changing policy I would say.

WOW now it is natures way of order. Man you guys really do have an inflated sense of importance.

 

[lynyrdskynyrd]

Sounds like many on both sides of this food fight have run out of food and are now hurtling dishes, knives and forks.

I have an idea. What if both sides formed a bipartisan committee - consisting of some of the more vociferous posters here - and explore the possiblity of approaching management with a strategy for a pilot supported fragmentation plan in which the west goes one way and the east goes another.

IOW, we actually encourage management to fragment us in the next round of consolidation. We provide a plan on how to do so in a structured and orderly way. We offer our support. We telegraph the same to the industry.

Any potential suitor or suitors have thus far been disinclined to involve themselves with this labor quagmire. An official position on the part of the company that they are seeking to merge out either the west or the east, or both separately, with pilot support, may actually change the dynamics and motivation in the consolidation arena.

Such a plan, for example, could provide a provision in which east pilots go west and west go east, if they accept Nicolau or DOH - for those who place geographic location above location on a particular seniority list.

Every time I visit this website I become more convinced we, east and west, will never be able to work together in the same cockpits. Perhaps we are wasting our time fighting the wrong battle, because whichever side wins still ends up sleeping with the enemy.

Tell me why I'm wrong.

Because you are basing it on bluster from a bunch of keyboard commandos.

 

[veritasaequitas]

Well we saw how DAL reacted to the proposed merger with US Airways. Keep Delta my Delta.

Does anyone think that there is an airline out there that would welcome the east pilots to their ranks? Your reputation has proceeded you. I would guess that any attempt to fragment and join another airline will be met with much resistance.

Keep hoping for some way to avoid the Nicolau but it is here to stay. We are joined in this mess for good. There will be no second chance, time to accept this and put the two sides together.

Ever heard what UAL has to say about the last time USA and UAL tried to merge. Left a lot of bad feelings. How has AA treated their merger partners? TWA just wanted a fair deal. They were good people. How about a group that can not be trusted, what would AA pilots do?

CAL, after the names you guys have called them and Prater. Sure enjoy that one.

Seriously think that they will go ahead and offer DOH?

Keep looking for that magic bullet.

The only thing DAL and United pilots did not like is the seniority of the USAirways pilot group, they rationalize their actions by this.

TWA listened to ALPA and gave up their scope clause, they are now out on the street.

Prater, President of ALPA works for an airline that has the most pilots that chose to cross a picket line than any in the US. America West Pilots are second.

What exactly sir, did UAL have to say about the the USAirway pilots in the last of four merger attempts?

 

[HPearlyretiree]

How the merger got off the ground

Truth hurts, facts sooth. You brought this up by the way.

"Welcome to Home Depot"

Without AWA, that was your future.

 

[veritasaequitas]

"Welcome to Home Depot"

Without AWA, that was your future.

Facts be darned, we will take your word for it.

 

[HPearlyretiree]

1. Congratulations on the softness of your hands.

2, When it does not meet the requirements of ALPA merger policy. The latest date of hire longevity policy of the Air Line Pilots Association regarding mergers (changed many times throughout the years) is evidence of misappropriation of seniority policy by ALPA.

Every work group of USAirways went date of hire. ALPA is now advocating date of hire. Note to John Prater, president of ALPA, nice try pal. You picked the wrong group to add the fine print and an amendment to natures way of handling order in a society.

Softness of my hands LOL, like you are out there pulling beets when you are in a cockpit, give me a break.

I worked my way through college, got the degree and the earned my certs, I work in a world where you are judged on the work you do, not your hire date. You should try it some time, it keeps you on your toes. And the best part? If I don't like my job, I can get another one, without being thrown to the bottom of some seniority pit by a bunch of union goons!

As for your definition of binding...BZZZT! Three sides signed on to honor the results of Nic, and one side weenied out when they didn't get their way... Make an agreement, live by it, its what honorable people do.

 

[Be Careful What You Wish For.]

We had stupid ALPA Mec pilots.

You're funny!

 

[veritasaequitas]

I love the wolf pack of West pilots that attack with opinions, when you post facts on this message board.

Next.

 

[Be Careful What You Wish For.]

I love the wolf pack of West pilots that attack with opinions, when you post facts on this message board.

Next.

More funny!

 

[Be Careful What You Wish For.]

More funny! I'am the TRUTH but disregard all the federal convictions.