US Airways Pilots' Labor Thread 2/24-3/3

[souperfly]

Thanks.
I have no slippers...only the worn-out Cole-Haan's with 100,000 miles on them.
That won't help your case though.

We can do this all nite, it doesn't matter, you will still lose your case in the end...you will argue it as unfair...

Life will go on, and USAPA will direct your future without your involvement....as you insist.

Again, brilliant.

 

[ableoneable]

Thanks.
I have no slippers...only the worn-out Cole-Haan's with 100,000 miles on them.
That won't help your case though.

We can do this all nite, it doesn't matter, you will still lose your case in the end...you will argue it as unfair...

Life will go on, and USAPA will direct your future without your involvement....as you insist.

Again, brilliant.

You have offered no convincing arguments thus far only bold assertions that all will break the east's way and the west had better watch out.

Not very convincing, except perhaps to yourself.

As far has losing a case and then whining about how unfair it all is; clearly that has been the east's MO thus far. USAPA is engaged in how many court cases? How many favorable rulings so far?

 

[souperfly]

DOH has no such long standing history when it comes to the merger of pilot groups. In fact hardly any straight DOH pilot group mergers have occurred.

A change in union representation is not a change in venue. It is merely a change in representation. All previous contracts and agreements remain in force. (Or did I miss it when LOA93, CBA2004 and the transition agreement were replaced with successor documents?)

I can only hope and pray that USAPA leadership not only agrees with you but specifically charges their lawyers to argue along the lines you have espoused. (Though with Seeham replaced as lead counsel I don't hold out much hope that the east's legal talent will be so willing to embarrass themselves.)

Then again anything is possible, as was demonstrated by the east being as shocked with the outcome of the arbitration as they were. Based on all that transpired there was still a large group of east pilots who thought that the arbitrator was going to hand down a DOH/LOS list with conditions and restrictions even though he loudly telegraphed that he was thinking along different lines.

I desperately hope that you are one of the east's decision makers.

You know...I hadn't thought of it till just know. I admire the tenacity of those who willingly jump into the abyss...knowing they have given their lives. I never thought educated adults would do such things,

Admirable.

 

[nic4us]

Hi Nic,

I have personally consulted and discussed this case with NLRB directors (both of them), four lawyers, two federal judges, president Obama and .........his holiness the Dali Lama and have to unfortunately advise you that you are in for a big surprise when these cases find their way through the courts. The Lama also told me to advise you that you westies are working up some pretty nasty karma !!!


Peace Brother

well I caddied for the Dali Lama once and he stiffed me for the the tip. I said "hey Lama how about something for the effort". He assured me that in the end the NIC will recieve "total conscienceness".

dona nobis pacem

 

[ableoneable]

You know...I hadn't thought of it till just know. I admire the tenacity of those who willingly jump into the abyss...knowing they have given their lives. I never thought educated adults would do such things,

Admirable.

More blanket statements about how only you have a clear eyed view of the world but not a single counterpoint to any of the many I presented.

Arrogance and hutzpah alone will not fuel your journey with Judge Wake for nearly as long as it will on an anonymous message board.

 

[EastUS]

I don't think that the west's lawyer's will object either though the judge may be prompted to ask what possible relevance the AFA policies have to the issue at hand.

I'd guess that if the small fact that EVERY other employee group at US has been integrated by way of DOH can be introduced....It "might" be of at least passing interest to some jurors. Oh well. We'll just have to wait this one out and see.

 

[nostradamus]

Arrogance and hutzpah will not fuel your journey with Judge Wake for nearly as long as it will on an anonymous message board.

Jude Wake's findings to date, have not been in your favor sir. The honorable Judge is now asking a jury to decide your fate.

The judge's findings have, in no way, been a personal vendetta directed toward you, he was only following the rule of law.

The trend of litigation is not in line with your expectations and an alternative course of action is something you should consider.

The lack of s house lawyers input on this board, should be an additional concern for you.

IMHO

 

[kubotapilot]

Hi Nic,

Could you please post your source regarding the April 1 Trial date being set???


Thank you

The worst case scenario for USAPA is about to be realized. On April 1 when their dues collection comes into question. When the Addington trial starts, and their defense is "we can because we do not think NIC is fair".

Back to Doug's crew room video. USAPA can appeal or do whatever they want if they loose Addington. But I am certain, if judge Wake finds in favor of AOL, Addington et.al. the next time Doug is asked if he is willing to say that the NIC is the official system seniority list of a combined USAirways, the answere will be "Well yes, of course it is".

 

[ableoneable]

I'd guess that if the small fact that EVERY other employee group at US has been integrated by way of DOH can be introduced....It "might" be of at least passing interest to some jurors. Oh well. We'll just have to wait this one out and see.

The jury does not get to hear what they are interested in hearing, they hear what the judge decides is relevant to the question before the jury.

If the east's legal team can convince the judge that what other employee groups do is relevant the jury will hear it, however if the judge is not convinced that it is central to the DFR question, it will not be heard by the jury.

 

[nic4us]

Hi Nic,

Could you please post your source regarding the April 1 Trial date being set???


Thank you

April 1 is for an arbitration regarding wether dues are owed by the West prior to 11-10-08 not the Addington trial.

 

[ableoneable]

Jude Wake's findings to date, have not been in your favor sir. The honorable Judge is now asking a jury to decide your fate.

The judge's findings have, in no way, been a personal vendetta directed toward you, he was only following the rule of law.

The trend of litigation is not in line with your expectations and an alternative course of action is something you should consider.

The lack of s house lawyers input on this board, should be an additional concern for you.

IMHO

Uh oh, the dreaded "Sir" address. Never an encouraging sign.

Thus far the judge has issued few findings of fact but the few orders he has issued have been generally favorable to the west case.

The judge appears to be moving slowly and methodically as to protect his decisions from future appeal.

The lack of s house lawyers input on this board, should be an additional concern for you.

IMHO

I have no idea what you mean here, you are going to have to clarify.

 

[kubotapilot]

Hi Nic,

Out of all the BS that comes from both coasts it's good to see at least two of us here have a sense of humor !

well I caddied for the Dali Lama once and he stiffed me for the the tip. I said "hey Lama how about something for the effort". He assured me that in the end the NIC will recieve "total conscienceness".

dona nobis pacem

 

[EastUS]

The jury does not get to hear what they are interested in hearing, they hear what the judge decides is relevant to the question before the jury.

If the east's legal team can convince the judge that what other employee groups do is relevant the jury will hear it, if the judge is not convinced it is central to the DFR question it is not heard by the jury.

"The jury does not get to hear what they are interested in hearing," That seems an essential hope/prayer for the west. What people can "hear" or read between the lines can often surprise you. Don't count on all of them being youthfull and inexperienced people. I'd also caution that none can actually forsee what degree of lattitude the court will allow at this time.

 

[ableoneable]

"The jury does not get to hear what they are interested in hearing," That seems an essential hope/prayer for the west. What people can "hear" or read between the lines can often surprise you. Don't count on all of them being youthfull and inexperienced people. I'd also caution that none can actually forsee what degree of lattitude the court will allow at this time.

I don't pretend to know how the specifics of the case will unfold but the judge has great discretion in framing the arguments. The real crux of the case will be the judge's instructions to the jury prior to deliberations. This is where he will explicitly outline the question before the jury and what facts they are to consider in it's resolution.

With respect to the fairness issue I am not really worried about the introduction of DOH policies for other workgroups.

The DOH/LOS list is an attempt to take jobs from the west and hand them to the east simply because these pilots worked at USAir longer than west pilots worked at America West. I think that the jury will see this for what it is.

 

[EastUS]

well I caddied for the Dali Lama once and he stiffed me for the the tip. I said "hey Lama how about something for the effort". He assured me that in the end the NIC will recieve "total conscienceness".

dona nobis pacem

Hmmm..Did you let on that you were a pilot? Everyone knows that we don't get tipped. All the same; If you want any help mugging him in the clubhouse for the tip...I'm up for assisting for just a coupla' points on the deal. The professions' been disrespected in recent years far too much as it is.