Union Employees will never be satisfied with anything

[Oliver Stone''s Apprentice]

Tell you what, Coop.

Give me -your- employee number or FF number in a PM, and I''ll gladly vouch for the fact that you''re an employee or customer.

Or was your original request just a threat to shut people up?

 

[flydcoop]

I wouldn''t give AA Observer too much lip service seeing as s/he just registered on this site, Fri 18Apr.

In an earlier post I asked for an employee/FF number and have received no response.

I''m fairly certain AA Observer is a corporAAte spy on here to stir the pot.

The arguments being made about "lazy and whiny" union members can also be said about many members of middle management.

Maybe AA Observer is ANNE McNAMARA!

 

[RV4]

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On 4/20/2003 518 PM flydcoop wrote:

I wouldn''t give AA Observer too much lip service seeing as s/he just registered on this site, Fri 18Apr.

In an earlier post I asked for an employee/FF number and have received no response.

I''m fairly certain AA Observer is a corporAAte spy on here to stir the pot.

The arguments being made about "lazy and whiny" union members can also be said about many members of middle management.

Maybe AA Observer is ANNE McNAMARA!

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AAObserver is doing more damage to the company fanning the flames than the union worker does whining instead of working.

 

[AAONO]

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And at the next layoff, who gets laid off first: The hard working person who''s been with the company for two years and has earned awards in all these programs, or a slacking employee who''s been with American for 20 years but does a below average job?


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Are you saying the person who has saved the company over $1,000,000 through Ideaas and has 13 years seniority (I am refering to myself)should keep their job before a guy that has 20 years and no Ideaas? Nonsense! Ideaas rewarded myself and others through AAchiever points. If a worker is doing a below average job, then it is managements fault for not taking the proper steps to get the worker in line. Why is it management thinks the union is full of "slackers"? Is it because they are looking at the result of their job performance?

 

[AAObserver]

AAONO,

What are you talking about? Your post has nothing to do with my post you are replying to.

 

[tadjr]

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On 4/20/2003 6:18:51 PM AAObserver wrote:

How do you blame management because an employee doesn''t do a good job? Management can''t hold a gun to their head and force them to work hard.

On the contrary, it''s the unions that keep management from being able to discipline or terminate a sub-par employee.

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Being an ex union rep, I can tell you this is the biggest bunch of a load there is. If someone isnt doing their job, its managements responsibility to get them working or document the lack of work which in turn can cause termination. True, it might take a while to get the case in order with enough evidence to terminate, but it can be done if the person is so lacking in job performance. How do you get 15 or 20 year employees who cant or wont do their job when they have supposed to have received evaluations all these years? Surely management must have known many years ago that they were lacking. What are they saying in their evaluations that keep them on property? I think this is the biggest copout there is with regards to getting rid of those who cant or wont do their job. They''re in a union so we cant do it. Where I work, we''ve only had a union for 4 years. How do you explain all the oldtimers who fit in this category who werent let go when they DIDNT have a union? Lack of effort and concern from management.

 

[RV4]

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On 4/20/2003 5:25:04 PM eolesen wrote:

Tell you what, Coop.

Give me -your- employee number or FF number in a PM, and I''ll gladly vouch for the fact that you''re an employee or customer.

Or was your original request just a threat to shut people up?

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Last time you offered to get involved in real facts it nearly cost you dearly.

 

[AAObserver]

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On 4/20/2003 6:05:17 PM AAONO wrote:

Are you saying the person who has saved the company over $1,000,000 through Ideaas and has 13 years seniority (I am refering to myself)should keep their job before a guy that has 20 years and no Ideaas? Nonsense! Ideaas rewarded myself and others through AAchiever points. If a worker is doing a below average job, then it is managements fault for not taking the proper steps to get the worker in line. Why is it management thinks the union is full of "slackers"? Is it because they are looking at the result of their job performance?

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How do you blame management because an employee doesn''t do a good job? Management can''t hold a gun to their head and force them to work hard.

On the contrary, it''s the unions that keep management from being able to discipline or terminate a sub-par employee.

And yes, if you are doing a better overall job than someone who has more seniority, then they should get laid off instead of you. What kind of business sense does it make to lay off the better employee simply because they haven''t been employed as long?

 

[AAONO]

And yes, if you are doing a better overall job than someone who has more seniority, then they should get laid off instead of you. What kind of business sense does it make to lay off the better employee simply because they haven''t been employed as long?

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OK, I guess I am set until retirement. I saved this company over $1,000,000 in Ideaas. They can now keep me around until my salary has reached that $1,000,000 mark, on top of my everyday job duties of keeping aircraft rolling off the gate. The Ideaas is worth 15 years pay, over my current pay. Am I keeping my "pre-concession" pay because I am a better employee due to submitting Ideaas that were approved by AA? Perhaps AA owes me a 15 year retention bonus because I saved them money in Ideaas. You are Obviously part of the AA management team, you just don''t get it! Lay me off due to a reduction in capacity, if you think the guy ahead of me is worthless, then do your job and fire him, after all, Jim Little will only squawk on his soapbox long enough to get his picture taken, then he will side with management.

 

[limit]

aaob
“Unions make it convenient for employees to sit around and whine because a)they don''t allow companies to do anything about sub par employees with bad attitudes, and B) they don''t allow companies to give raises or perks to the best employees with the best attitudes. In short, unions don''t give any motivation to employees to do a great job.â€￾


I believe you are misinformed.
a) I know many supervisors and managers that complain about the union having tied their hands. Yet they never write someone up, or follow the step procedure designed to assist them in weeding out all the bad apples. These steps also protect a union employee from capricious management behavior. I know of many employees that have been fired. Most of them are back. Did the Union bring them back? I am afraid not..They are back because an arbitrator ruled in their favor, or the company dropped the case not wanting to waste time in anticipation of a non-favorable ruling.Are some of the employees that returned guilty? Certainly.The union is as guilty as a defense lawyer is when he defends his client.There are only two people that are guilty here. A sub par employee and a sub par manager.
B) Motivation? I am all for it. What happened to achievers points? Before we got in this mess that is.
Why were they used so sparingly and inconsistently? Why not give someone you value 50000 points instead of 5000? Do you value them or not? (The good employees that is)
I know managers that will not give points to anyone. Under any circumstances. I know in our department when you say achievers points people laugh. I work with some of the most productive and dedicated people in our company. If we even think of a raise or a perk we stop being team players.
We must live in different worlds.

 

[stlslim]

"When blithe to argument I come,
Though armed with facts, and merry,
May Providence protect me from
The fool as adversary,
Whose mind to him a kingdom is
Where reason lacks dominion,
Who calls conviction prejudice
And prejudice opinion."

Phyllis McGinley

 

[AAONO]

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On 4/20/2003 7:00:08 PM AAObserver wrote:

AAONO,

What are you babbling about? Your post has nothing to do with my post you are replying to.



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Funny, I quoted you each time......Are you speechless Carty Puppet?

 

[AAONO]

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On 4/20/2003 6:18:51 PM AAObserver wrote:

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On 4/20/2003 6:05:17 PM AAONO wrote:

Are you saying the person who has saved the company over $1,000,000 through Ideaas and has 13 years seniority (I am refering to myself)should keep their job before a guy that has 20 years and no Ideaas? Nonsense! Ideaas rewarded myself and others through AAchiever points. If a worker is doing a below average job, then it is managements fault for not taking the proper steps to get the worker in line. Why is it management thinks the union is full of "slackers"? Is it because they are looking at the result of their job performance?

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How do you blame management because an employee doesn''t do a good job? Management can''t hold a gun to their head and force them to work hard.
No management can''t hold a gun to there head, but they can put the employee through the necessary steps including termination, problem is, management doesn''t know how, too incompetent, that''s why the union employee almost always gets their job back

On the contrary, it''s the unions that keep management from being able to discipline or terminate a sub-par employee.

How''s that, by ensuring the company does their job properly and does not unfairly terminate an employee? If the company has a case, and they do their job properly, the union employee will remain terminated, once again, management incompetence.

And yes, if you are doing a better overall job than someone who has more seniority, then they should get laid off instead of you. What kind of business sense does it make to lay off the better employee simply because they haven''t been employed as long?

Already addressed this statement, went along with your previous post. See you in the unemployment line!

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[wts54]

Maybe AA Observer is ANNE McNAMARA

or maybe just a company suck.

 

[AAStew]

My question is, why do any of you respond to AAOB? I say unionize now, make a concerted effort and IGNORE him! We all know he is just blubbering....