Union Employees will never be satisfied with anything
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Observer my foot......You sound like one of those pompus executives that had given themselves the money. They gave it back...so what! They TRIED to pull the wool over the eyes of the employees and they got burned,otherwise they wouldn''t have given it back. It is a matter of principle. The rich get richer and the poor get poorer. My hat goes off the the flight attendants of AA for standing up for themselves. We at US did not. Look where it got us..in bankruptsy anyway. Whether you turn it down this time, unfortunately they will take you there anyway. So, HELL YES....say NO!!!!!!
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On 4/19/2003 3:16:11 PM RV4 wrote:
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Because they got caught and that is the only reason. Do you think they felt bad? If they did they wouldn''t have taken it in the first place.On 4/19/2003 3:16:11 PM RV4 wrote:
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On 4/19/2003 10:22:10 AM AAObserver wrote:
That''s simple. Because the unions were whining like mad babies about it.On 4/19/2003 10:22:10 AM AAObserver wrote:
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Why then did Carty write a letter of apology to the union leaders for the non-disclosure? If it was "none of our business", would the CEO need to apologize for not telling us?
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Why then did Carty write a letter of apology to the union leaders for the non-disclosure? If it was "none of our business", would the CEO need to apologize for not telling us?
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SO why blame the unions then? If management rewards the union for whining like babies, then they will whine again. If no reward, no whining. Who''s fault is this?----------------
Who says you guys cannot quit?
Go ahead. No one will stop you.
You actually think there is a law against quitting? Strike maybe.
The AMR board of directors gave those perks to Carty and company. They did not give them to themselves. Retention bonuses.
As I recall you guys were asking for the same thing? Something to guarantee your wages or jobs?
Someone else got that deal and you cry like 6 month old babies.
As I have stated before. If mis management caused this situation to AA. It is amazing that so many airlines were mis managed at the same time.
Dumb asses - point the finger at the industry where it needs to be pointed.
I guess signing off a few individual tasks during maintenance makes you worth the wage you demand? I sign off the entire maintenance visit. I must be worth 1,000 times what you are worth? I have signed for more than 1,000 of your sign offs.
I am getting screwed worse than you and I do not have a union. I am not crying like a baby about it.
Go ahead. No one will stop you.
You actually think there is a law against quitting? Strike maybe.
The AMR board of directors gave those perks to Carty and company. They did not give them to themselves. Retention bonuses.
As I recall you guys were asking for the same thing? Something to guarantee your wages or jobs?
Someone else got that deal and you cry like 6 month old babies.
As I have stated before. If mis management caused this situation to AA. It is amazing that so many airlines were mis managed at the same time.
Dumb asses - point the finger at the industry where it needs to be pointed.
I guess signing off a few individual tasks during maintenance makes you worth the wage you demand? I sign off the entire maintenance visit. I must be worth 1,000 times what you are worth? I have signed for more than 1,000 of your sign offs.
I am getting screwed worse than you and I do not have a union. I am not crying like a baby about it.
AA Observer,
If you are a Platinum/Gold, please give me your number. I can verify this quite easily.
If you are management, give me your station branch/work group, the same is easily accessible to me.
Better yet, give me your employee number.."H*emplnmbr" in RES is quite powerful, especially if you know folks with the right duty code.
Care to play?
Coop
If you are a Platinum/Gold, please give me your number. I can verify this quite easily.
If you are management, give me your station branch/work group, the same is easily accessible to me.
Better yet, give me your employee number.."H*emplnmbr" in RES is quite powerful, especially if you know folks with the right duty code.
Care to play?
Coop
#1 - I am a proud member of the APFA,
Apparently, according to the posts, I should just quit and give up.
I love AA''s routes and my co-workers...so many amazing people.
So, unlike the "ideal American", I should just lie down and let everything happen or go elsewhere?
I could make more doing something else, however, this is an issue that resonates deeply with me.
I''m one of the scariest people MGMT has ever dealt with, I am not selfish, it is about the principle.
I have nothing left to lose, you can abuse me as you will, but not before you "FULLY DISCLOSE" your employee number or FF number.
Coop
Apparently, according to the posts, I should just quit and give up.
I love AA''s routes and my co-workers...so many amazing people.
So, unlike the "ideal American", I should just lie down and let everything happen or go elsewhere?
I could make more doing something else, however, this is an issue that resonates deeply with me.
I''m one of the scariest people MGMT has ever dealt with, I am not selfish, it is about the principle.
I have nothing left to lose, you can abuse me as you will, but not before you "FULLY DISCLOSE" your employee number or FF number.
Coop
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right on coop!
I am with you at 100%
The issue now is one of priciple-any worker worth anything around here will find it hard to argue that Carty has become a loose cannon and is more of a detrament to our future and success than any strike...
The deal is that we do care..alot about what happens her..We are professionals who deserve to be treated like adults!
Enough is enough..I will put it all on the line for this without question...
As each day passes I become more confident in all our unity and ablitiy to get rid of him and his tactics......
I am with you at 100%
The issue now is one of priciple-any worker worth anything around here will find it hard to argue that Carty has become a loose cannon and is more of a detrament to our future and success than any strike...
The deal is that we do care..alot about what happens her..We are professionals who deserve to be treated like adults!
Enough is enough..I will put it all on the line for this without question...
As each day passes I become more confident in all our unity and ablitiy to get rid of him and his tactics......
Managements answer is now "Just Quit".
Should we take that as "we are no longer in this together"?
Damn, just when we were starting to believe everything they tell us.
Why should we quit? Why not force the BOD to remove them first?
Should we take that as "we are no longer in this together"?
Damn, just when we were starting to believe everything they tell us.
Why should we quit? Why not force the BOD to remove them first?
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On 4/19/2003 11:36:20 PM xlurker wrote:
Who says you guys cannot quit?
Go ahead. No one will stop you.
You actually think there is a law against quitting? Strike maybe.
The AMR board of directors gave those perks to Carty and company. They did not give them to themselves. Retention bonuses.
As I recall you guys were asking for the same thing? Something to guarantee your wages or jobs?
Someone else got that deal and you cry like 6 month old babies.
As I have stated before. If mis management caused this situation to AA. It is amazing that so many airlines were mis managed at the same time.
Dumb asses - point the finger at the industry where it needs to be pointed.
I guess signing off a few individual tasks during maintenance makes you worth the wage you demand? I sign off the entire maintenance visit. I must be worth 1,000 times what you are worth? I have signed for more than 1,000 of your sign offs.
I am getting screwed worse than you and I do not have a union. I am not crying like a baby about it.
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If you sign off for the maintenance visit, that would place you as most likely a Supervisor. If you accomplish this task, it is the A&P mechanics that are signing for the responsibility. You sign that the visit is complete to the best of your knowledge. It is your position in this company that requires you to sign for the visit. If an incident occurred you would not be held accountable. It is the A&P Mechanic and the mechanic only in a fatal incident.On 4/19/2003 11:36:20 PM xlurker wrote:
Who says you guys cannot quit?
Go ahead. No one will stop you.
You actually think there is a law against quitting? Strike maybe.
The AMR board of directors gave those perks to Carty and company. They did not give them to themselves. Retention bonuses.
As I recall you guys were asking for the same thing? Something to guarantee your wages or jobs?
Someone else got that deal and you cry like 6 month old babies.
As I have stated before. If mis management caused this situation to AA. It is amazing that so many airlines were mis managed at the same time.
Dumb asses - point the finger at the industry where it needs to be pointed.
I guess signing off a few individual tasks during maintenance makes you worth the wage you demand? I sign off the entire maintenance visit. I must be worth 1,000 times what you are worth? I have signed for more than 1,000 of your sign offs.
I am getting screwed worse than you and I do not have a union. I am not crying like a baby about it.
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On 4/19/2003 7:41:03 AM RV4 wrote:
Explain to us how "the unions make it very convenient for employees to sit around and whine instead of looking for another job that will make them happier"?
My retention bonus is next weeks paycheck, I do NOT have a double or triple bonus for staying around until 2005 or 2006.
It appears to me the "convenience to stay" is being propagated by management not the union.
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On 4/19/2003 7:41:03 AM RV4 wrote:
Explain to us how "the unions make it very convenient for employees to sit around and whine instead of looking for another job that will make them happier"?
My retention bonus is next weeks paycheck, I do NOT have a double or triple bonus for staying around until 2005 or 2006.
It appears to me the "convenience to stay" is being propagated by management not the union.
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Unions make it convenient for employees to sit around and whine because a)they don''t allow companies to do anything about subpar employees with bad attitudes, and B) they don''t allow companies to give raises or perks to the best employees with the best attitudes. In short, unions don''t give any motivation to employees to do a great job.
And Einstein, 99% of the American workforce doesn''t get retention bonuses for staying around until 2005. However, the vast majority of executive management teams DO get these types of bonuses. You don''t seem to grasp the fact that you are not as important as the executive team. Maybe if you had gotten your masters or doctorate and become a CEO of a major company you could get these bonuses, but you didn''t.
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On 4/20/2003 11:30:57 AM AAObserver wrote:
... You don't seem to grasp the fact that you are not as important as the executive team. Maybe if you had gotten your masters or doctorate and become a CEO of a major company you could get these bonuses, but you didn't.
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And you don't seem to get the reality that all have equal value and dignity. That is what unionism is about. On 4/20/2003 11:30:57 AM AAObserver wrote:
... You don't seem to grasp the fact that you are not as important as the executive team. Maybe if you had gotten your masters or doctorate and become a CEO of a major company you could get these bonuses, but you didn't.
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Your worldview tells you that you are better or worse than the next person based on the temporal value of comparison. Unionism tells us we are all valuable and that collectively we can have a voice.
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On 4/20/2003 1
55 PM spacewaitress wrote:
And you don''t seem to get the reality that all have equal value and dignity. That is what unionism is about.
Your worldview tells you that you are better or worse than the next person based on the temporal value of comparison. Unionism tells us we are all valuable and that collectively we can have a voice.
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On 4/20/2003 1
55 PM spacewaitress wrote: And you don''t seem to get the reality that all have equal value and dignity. That is what unionism is about.
Your worldview tells you that you are better or worse than the next person based on the temporal value of comparison. Unionism tells us we are all valuable and that collectively we can have a voice.
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No, what I''m saying is that your position is not as important as the CEOs. If we all had equal value, we''d all be making $1 million per year.
Unions would have it that way if they could because they don''t support the rules of economics. If you truly think you have equal value to the CEO or executive management of the company, then I rest my case.
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On 4/20/2003 11:30:57 AM AAObserver wrote:
Unions make it convenient for employees to sit around and whine because a)they don't allow companies to do anything about subpar employees with bad attitudes, and B) they don't allow companies to give raises or perks to the best employees with the best attitudes. In short, unions don't give any motivation to employees to do a great job.
And Einstein, 99% of the American workforce doesn't get retention bonuses for staying around until 2005. However, the vast majority of executive management teams DO get these types of bonuses. You don't seem to grasp the fact that you are not as important as the executive team. Maybe if you had gotten your masters or doctorate and become a CEO of a major company you could get these bonuses, but you didn't.
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That's funny, up until recently AA offered AAchievers points for jobs well done, IdeAAs in Aciton, Perfect Attendance, and other employee motivational programs. I'm sorry, this is the first I heard that AA had to get rid of these becuase "the unions don't allow" for such things? Had I only known the unions made AA get rid of these, I would have spent an extra two hours last week doing nothing and whining about that loss also. I have witnessed "employee of the month" presentations where employees are given gift certificates, preferred parking spots, and gold medalions. I will report this to the nearest union on Monday and see if you are correct, if you are, this program should also be removed within days.On 4/20/2003 11:30:57 AM AAObserver wrote:
Unions make it convenient for employees to sit around and whine because a)they don't allow companies to do anything about subpar employees with bad attitudes, and B) they don't allow companies to give raises or perks to the best employees with the best attitudes. In short, unions don't give any motivation to employees to do a great job.
And Einstein, 99% of the American workforce doesn't get retention bonuses for staying around until 2005. However, the vast majority of executive management teams DO get these types of bonuses. You don't seem to grasp the fact that you are not as important as the executive team. Maybe if you had gotten your masters or doctorate and become a CEO of a major company you could get these bonuses, but you didn't.
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WHAT PLANET DO YOU WORK ON "Einstein"?
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On 4/20/2003 3:31:40 PM RV4 wrote:
That''s funny, up until recently AA offered AAchievers points for jobs well done, IdeAAs in Aciton, Perfect Attendance, and other employee motivational programs. I''m sorry, this is the first I heard that AA had to get rid of these becuase "the unions don''t allow" for such things? Had I only known the unions made AA get rid of these, I would have spent an extra two hours last week doing nothing and whining about that loss also. I have witnessed "employee of the month" presentations where employees are given gift certificates, preferred parking spots, and gold medalions. I will report this to the nearest union on Monday and see if you are correct, if you are, this program should also be removed within days.
WHAT PLANET DO YOU WORK ON "Einstein"?
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On 4/20/2003 3:31:40 PM RV4 wrote:
That''s funny, up until recently AA offered AAchievers points for jobs well done, IdeAAs in Aciton, Perfect Attendance, and other employee motivational programs. I''m sorry, this is the first I heard that AA had to get rid of these becuase "the unions don''t allow" for such things? Had I only known the unions made AA get rid of these, I would have spent an extra two hours last week doing nothing and whining about that loss also. I have witnessed "employee of the month" presentations where employees are given gift certificates, preferred parking spots, and gold medalions. I will report this to the nearest union on Monday and see if you are correct, if you are, this program should also be removed within days.
WHAT PLANET DO YOU WORK ON "Einstein"?
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And just how much of a raise do the employees get for AAchievers points, IdeAAs in Action, and perfect attendance?
And at the next layoff, who gets laid off first: The hard working person who''s been with the company for two years and has earned awards in all these programs, or a slacking employee who''s been with American for 20 years but does a below average job?
