UA transfers its two DAL (Love Field) gates to Southwest; Is DL out?

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FWAAA said:
Before this announcement, WN had 153 daily departures from its 16 gates in its June schedule, according to its Fact Sheet:

http://www.swamedia.com/channels/Corporate-Fact-Sheet/pages/corporate-fact-sheet

http://www.swamedia.com/documents/a9068077-44b9-4736-99c0-3650043c87df

Now, WN is planning on 166 daily departures from 18 gates, which is more than 9 per gate, a higher gate utilization rate than any of its top 10 airports except for LAX, where WN runs 11.3 daily departures on average from each of its 10 gates.

For all we know, the 153 flights from 16 gates was optimistic/aggressive and the 166 from 18 gates will result in smoother operations. On the other hand, maybe WN is "wasting" some gate capacity and maybe WN will announce a few more flights.

Looks to me like the two VX gates could easily handle more than 13 daily departures, and unless VX ramps up its schedule from DAL, the scarce resource provisions of the DAL leases will likely mean that DL can share the VX gates.
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This is what I think will happen, IF, Delta even is allowed to remain at DAL...
 
Actually, I think you can and do grasp it, but you enjoy being an on-line pr!ck so you continue posting, repeating ad naseum  the same (often incorrect) thing over and over and over and over and over and over ..........
Frugal, the definition of insanity is doing the the same thing over and over again and getting the same results.
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the insanity is those who have continued for well over a year to try to argue that DL would be out of DAL.

DL knew the day the AA/US merger was announced what DL would have to do to keep flying to DAL.

despite what so many here have been saying, DL has succeeded at staying at DAL.

the insanity is from those who keep hoping for DL's demise when it is obvious that not only does DL know what it is doing but it has managed to convince both DAL and WN that it is well worth their while to continue to allow DL to remain at DAL.

when DL is out and pursues no recourse, those people can claim credit.


 
 
Must have some empty seats
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unprecedented amount of empty seats... with pricing power in the industry as strong as it is, it speaks very poorly about how WN is doing in ATL. And of all times, you don't do that kind of thing just 45 days after shutting down FL and supposedly offering ATL a superior product and a resized network.

despite what so many here have argued, WN simply cannot fill the number of seats it offers to the number of destinations it is offering from ATL.

they'll stick it out thru summer but there will be further cuts announced before the summer is ever over to take effect later in the year.
 
WN has done a better job at increasing their LF than any other airline and their LF is not far behind other carriers.

This promotion is about trying to fill way more seats than their schedule will allow... they raised fares dramatically compared to FL and reduced frequencies. They simply do not have a competitive schedule and are flying too large of planes to fill the aircraft in many markets where they have far less feed than FL had or that DL has in the same markets.

there are probably 10 or more markets that WN flies from ATL that are at a high risk of being cancelled and they are all to other than WN focus cities/hubs.
 
.... aims to fill empty seats.

discounting to the point of giving away every 4th seat is no indication of success.

WN is clearly doing poorly in a number of markets - and I suspect I can identify about 20 of them - the ones that are not to WN focus cities and have 2 or fewer frequencies per day.
 
swamt said:
This is what I think will happen, IF, Delta even is allowed to remain at DAL...
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Delta has room for now. 
Soon enough the VX gates will, IMO, be up for grabs too. (or at least one. Sounds like DAL-SFO/LAX aren't terrible. DCA/LGA are burning money though) 
 
swamt said:
More LUV to be givin to ATL flyers, free passes...
 
Southwest Airlines Offers Atlanta Unprecedented Perk
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Delta does this all the time....
 
 
wait. no they don't. 
 
swamt said:
More focus on ATL...
 
Southwest Airlines campaign aims to boost Atlanta business
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More low fare market share grab. 
 
Yes they did. I guess they just had to know if their expansion plans could be fulfilled . If they planned to expand and had to give up gate space it could be perminate. Now we will find out... On to court...I say it is about time.
 
DL is just letting the feds fight with DAL and WN.

this case will take 10 seconds for a federal judge to decide.

WN has no chance of defending control of 90% of the gates at DAL and 95% of the seats while competing only against one very weak LCC in comparison.

Yes, let it go to court... let a judge rip up DAL's leases and start over with accommodating every else first and then WN can get what is left.
 
10 seconds, you are out of touch of reality.
 
And you have no clue that the DOT, and DOJ singed off on the Wright Amendment and subsequent revisions to it.
 
and you clearly didn't read that the DOT and DOJ BOTH required inclusion of DL's sublease and the principles of it must be incorporated in WN's lease going forward.

as much as you want to think otherwise, there is no federal judge that will not act AGAINST WN if this goes to court.

WN is playing with fire - and as I have specifically stated many times and you have denied, the government is taking DL's position that DAL and WN cannot dominate the airport to the exclusion of carriers that already served it.
 
This isn't about the Wright Amendment or even the Five Party Agreement.

It's whether or not a political appointee at the DOT has the right to dictate how and when an airline leasing property is entitled to use it.

Since this lawsuit was filed by WN, why are we discussing it in the DL forum?...
 
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