U Express Door Falls Off In Flight

[PropPiedmont]

furloughd4now,

SkyWest doesn't have any DOJets, and neither does ACA. ACA pilots fly some DOJets that are owned by Delta, but only for another month and a half. PSA flies the Dornier 328 turboprop.

 

[700UW]

furloughd4now,

SkyWest doesn't have any DOJets, and neither does ACA. ACA pilots fly some DOJets that are owned by Delta, but only for another month and a half. PSA flies the Dornier 328 turboprop.

Atlantic Coast Airlines has them, they fly for DL and UA.

http://www.atlanticcoast.com/NonFlash/ACA_...nier328_NF.html

ACA 328 IN DL Colors

 

[PropPiedmont]

Furloughd,

Here it is. PSA won't be flying much longer either, maybe one more month.



http://www.airliners.net/open.file/546798/L/

 

[E-TRONS]

Don't they refer to this little plane as the "Dork Jet?"

It reminds me of something you would see Batman and Robin flying around in

Very bat-like in appearance during flight while viewed from below.....

 

[robbedagain]

does the DO-328 eat fuel because i have noticed that every one of the do-328s i have at my city they always need fule versus a DASH-8 that a loty of times dosent take fuel

 

[Light Years]

PSA Airlines (the wholly owned, not the smile) operated 25 or so D328s which will be retired by the end of the year.

Atlantic Coast Jet, a sister company to ACA, operates Fairchild Dornier 328JETs as Delta Connection. It was later folded back to regular ACA. There were some operating on the United side in UAX colours, not sure if they still do. You'll also see some in ACA Private Shuttle livery.

Great Plains Airlines of Oklahoma operated the 328JET and later the prop version as well. I'm not sure if they are still around.

Horizon Air also operated the prop version for a short time.

They do call it the Dork. I think its a cute little airplane aesthetically speaking. The Dash 8 is very gawky looking. Its too bad the jet version didnt work out, it had a great cabin for its size. I heard some American company has taken over the program, I wonder if they've gotten any orders?

If you look at a Dash 8 next to a Dornier they are actually pretty different looking, the most obvious being the giant landing gears that come out under the wings on the Dash. These make it look like an egg beater or a spider.

Dash 8

Dornier 328

 

[Blue Dude]

robbed,

The Dorks don't eat fuel, it's just that if you put too much fuel on the plane, you have to lighten the passenger load or remove bags, and nobody wants to do that. With a full passenger and bag load, you can fuel the Dork for less than 2 hrs of flight with a reserve, so that leaves few turns where it would be worth fueling through. PSA dispatch very seldom fuels through a station. They prefer to fuel at each station both to maximize useful load, but also to save money by not carrying around unneeded fuel on the first leg. Unless there's a huge extra cost savings involved, it's not worth tankering fuel on an aircraft the size of a Dork. Maybe with shorter legs, and therefore less fuel to carry for the return leg, the Dashes save enough time on the turns (or outrageous outstation fuel costs) by not refueling to make it worth it. They might also have more of a useful load with fuller tanks, so they may not gross out as easily by tankering fuel.

 

[Furloughd4now]

bout time you guys figure it out geesh :blink:

Atlantic Coast Airlines has them, they fly for DL and UA.

http://www.atlanticcoast.com/NonFlash/ACA_...nier328_NF.html

ACA 328 IN DL Colors

I am mistaken and for that I do apologize. However, they are different names but the same number (DeHaviland and Dornier/Fairchild) and ... I am a blonde, so I ASSumed the Jet.

care to beat me now or later

But I DO know ACA had them for DL/UAL and their own charter, because I've been on every last one of them working for the company. Well if Skywest does not have them then who does. there's another little regional carrier in the midwest that does operate the DODO JET

 

[Bluestreak]

As a pilot for PSA I find it amusing that so many members of this board don't know what a Do 328 is and which Express Carriers operate them. Your airline is getting turned into/taken over by express and you have no idea what express is or the type of people that work here. When I read this complete ignorance I no longer feel bad that we at express are taking over the flying at U. U employees have been asleep at the wheel for so long and now the bus is heading off the cliff.

 

[Light Years]

That would be SkyWay, Midwest Connect. 328JET for them, however they are now opting for ERJs.

 

[robbedagain]

robbed,

The Dorks don't eat fuel, it's just that if you put too much fuel on the plane, you have to lighten the passenger load or remove bags, and nobody wants to do that. With a full passenger and bag load, you can fuel the Dork for less than 2 hrs of flight with a reserve, so that leaves few turns where it would be worth fueling through. PSA dispatch very seldom fuels through a station. They prefer to fuel at each station both to maximize useful load, but also to save money by not carrying around unneeded fuel on the first leg. Unless there's a huge extra cost savings involved, it's not worth tankering fuel on an aircraft the size of a Dork. Maybe with shorter legs, and therefore less fuel to carry for the return leg, the Dashes save enough time on the turns (or outrageous outstation fuel costs) by not refueling to make it worth it. They might also have more of a useful load with fuller tanks, so they may not gross out as easily by tankering fuel.

ok but it seems to me that when I look at the release say for the example a dork frorm pit to abe it could have something like a 35 or 3800 pound of fuel and when they get into the abe it is down to say about 16 or 1700 pounds of fuel and then I order something like 25 or 2600 pounds of fuel for an outbound dork to pit or even phl that was why i was asking if they ate fuel thanks for the info also the other thing is is that even with the fuel we still wind up leaving people and bags off regardless. due to the release weight and balance restrictions and the psa pilots try to do what they can but we tell them that we have already taken the bags off and gave to other airlines for transport

 

[Dont call me Shirley]

Your airline is getting turned into/taken over by express and you have no idea what express is or the type of people that work here.

You have a very valid point, Bluestreak. Heck, a great many mainline employees -even in customer svc and ramp - do not know what "mainline express" is, much less how awful it is. But a lot them will find out someday. Maybe soon.


There are mgmt level employees who do not know which of the Express carriers are wholly owned.

Then again, UAIR has more express partners and WOs than anyone else. Can you name them all?

"US Airways. We'll take you to your destination via more connections than anyone else."

 

[av8or]

wholly boneds :blink:

Allegheny
MidAtlantic(even though its technically in "mainline")
Piedmont
PSA

scavangers :down:

chautauqua
colgan
mesa (including air midwest)
shuttle america
trans states

there's, surprisingly, even a page on the site about it

express listings

 

[ITRADE]

What is TransStates flying these days????

 

[skeezer]

J41's and a few ERJs

Skeezer