TWU-IAM Finally Getting Ready for JCBA Negotiations

[NYer]

And the association represents 50% plus one of who? No cards signed and no incumbent representative members. No members from either union signed off on approving a joint association. If a twu station becomes a IAM station and vice versa then representation has been changed. One day I'm twu and the next day I am IAM. Without a vote? That should create a huge legal mess. But we will wait and see the decision made by the nmb.

 
If the unions agree, as they did, there is no legal mess. The NMB allows for unions to create Associations under condition where both parent unions agree, as is the case.

 

[CMH_GSE]

They didn't. It was a joint submission for the Association by the TWU and IAM.

And again, the association is no more relevant than a few guys getting together and calling it cool.

The association has none of the things listed for showing of interest. There is no association to date, so how could they?!

 

[scorpion 2]

They didn't. It was a joint submission for the Association by the TWU and IAM.

And what did they use as showing of interest?

 

[CMH_GSE]

If the unions agree, as they did, there is no legal mess. The NMB allows for unions to create Associations under condition where both parent unions agree, as is the case.

Here's the rub, a few guys at the top got together and agreed, without balloting membership on what the cool new union would look like.
Not really what the NMB had in mind for showing of interest.

 

[NYer]

And again, the association is no more relevant than a few guys getting together and calling it cool.

The association has none of the things listed for showing of interest. There is no association to date, so how could they?!

 
The two unions have an Association agreement. In order for the NMB to consider the application for the Single Carrier Status all the two unions needed to do was show an interest and under NMB rules and under a merger they can use the two CBA's, seniority lists or check-off documents to show that interest as specified under 19.601.
 
If it wasn't able to do so, the NMB would not have accepted the application or would have already ruled against it.

 

[CMH_GSE]

If the unions agree, as they did, there is no legal mess. The NMB allows for unions to create Associations under condition where both parent unions agree, as is the case.

Please show some evidence that this has ever happened before, without balloting membership?

 

[NYer]

And what did they use as showing of interest?

 
Under rule 19.601 they were able to use, "a seniority list, dues check-off list, [or] a current collective bargaining agreement."

 

[NYer]

Please show some evidence that this has ever happened before, without balloting membership?

 
That is a separate issue. After the Single Carrier Status has been granted there will be an election between the Association, No Union and any other organization that can provide cards in the time frame given. (usually 30 days after determination)

 

[CMH_GSE]

Under rule 19.601 they were able to use, "a seniority list, dues check-off list, [or] a current collective bargaining agreement."

There is not one of those three things with the heading of "Association Union"

 

[NYer]

There is not one of those three things with the heading of "Association Union"

 
It doesn't need it. The NMB rules are clear.

 

[ThirdSeatHero]

 
 
 
19.601--Showing of Interest on the Single Transportation System
 
All applicants must submit evidence of representation or showing  of interest from at least fifty (50) percent of the employees in the craft or class. Evidence of representation or showing of interest from incumbent organizations or individuals on the affected carrier(s) includes, but is not limited to, a seniority list, dues check-off list, a current collective bargaining agreement or a certification, or other indicia of current representation.

 
The Key portion of the rule you're citing is this ....
 

 
19.601--Showing of Interest on the Single Transportation System
 
All applicants must submit evidence of representation or showing  of interest from at least fifty (50) percent of the employees in the craft or class. Evidence of representation or showing of interest from incumbent organizations or individuals on the affected carrier(s) includes, but is not limited to, a seniority list, dues check-off list, a current collective bargaining agreement or a certification, or other indicia of current representation.

 
The TWU is an incumbent organization 
 
The IAM is an incumbent organization
 
The Alliance IS NOT an incumbent organization.

 

[NYer]

 
The Key portion of the rule you're citing is this ....
 
 
The TWU is an incumbent organization 
 
The IAM is an incumbent organization
 
The Alliance IS NOT an incumbent organization.

 
And as incumbent organizations they have filed a joint determination for a Single Carrier Status for the Association which will be run by a committee consisting of the IAM and the TWU.
 
The Association will not represent anyone, it will continue to be the IAM and the TWU.

 

[CMH_GSE]

The Key portion of the rule you're citing is this ....
 

 
The TWU is an incumbent organization 
 
The IAM is an incumbent organization
 
The Alliance IS NOT an incumbent organization.

It's very plain for anybody to see.
My fear is, how is the NMB going to spin it the way NYer sees it.
This is such a simple read, it should have been done back at the end of August.
The amount of greed from both of these unions is epic.

 

[ThirdSeatHero]

 
The two unions have an Association agreement. In order for the NMB to consider the application for the Single Carrier Status all the two unions needed to do was show an interest and under NMB rules and under a merger they can use the two CBA's, seniority lists or check-off documents to show that interest as specified under 19.601.
 
If it wasn't able to do so, the NMB would not have accepted the application or would have already ruled against it.

 
You're confused about quite a bit.
 
First, it isn't Single Carrier Status. SCS is determined by the FAA - The NMB determines Single Transportation System or STS.
 
Second, a combined application wasn't required from both TWU and IAM either one could file alone per rule - filing together in no way obligates the NMB to allow the association

 

[ThirdSeatHero]

 
And as incumbent organizations they have filed a joint determination for a Single Carrier Status for the Association which will be run by a committee consisting of the IAM and the TWU.
 
The Association will not represent anyone, it will continue to be the IAM and the TWU.

 
They did not file as incumbents they filed as the association - which is not an incumbent