TWU and the Company reached a Tentative Agreement

[Mr Red]

The only thing a yes vote will do is ensure that AA AMTs remain LAST IN PAY, BENEFITS,and WORK RULES !!!

 

[amt66]

The only thing a yes vote will do is ensure that AA AMTs remain LAST IN PAY, BENEFITS,and WORK RULES !!!

I agree . As long as we're carrying OH we will never get the increases we deserve!

 

[amt66]

Has anyone received their new voting pin?

 

[amt66]

So says you!
AA wants to mimic what other airlines are doing...and outsourcing their entire line operations is not what exists.
Low cost carriers and the likes of UPS, Fedex all have line mechanics and no OH work.. Those majors which emerged from BK have kept their line mechanics and outsourced the heavy work.
See the pattern??????????????

If it was such an advantage and a simpler one at that, why don't other carriers keep their OH and outsource their line ops at their larger stations?

Well said! Not one BK airline has scrapt the line.

 

[BigMac]

I agree . As long as we're carrying OH we will never get the increases we deserve!

You sir are a troll and a flamer. Trying your hardest to start division and strife. You're really delusional in your way of thinking. Rid yourself of OH and all your dreams will come true. Lmfao. Clueless

 

[Mr Red]

I agree . As long as we're carrying OH we will never get the increases we deserve!

Wrong,Overhaul can be hard work.A lot of us have worked Ovhl at some point in our career.
An AMT working Ovhl or LINE should be compensated the same.As an A/P you should be able to work all
aspects of Aircraft.

 

[amt66]

Wrong,Overhaul can be hard work.A lot of us have worked Ovhl at some point in our career.
An AMT working Ovhl or LINE should be compensated the same.As an A/P you should be able to work all
aspects of Aircraft.

Yes OH can be and is hard work and yes I started in OH so I know but the issue here is the other airlines don't do it anymore or they do a limited amount and therefore are able to pay their mechs a decent wage in high cost cities! Vote no!!!!

 

[dfw gen]

AMT 66 go away plz. You are no help

 

[enough already]

Wrong,Overhaul can be hard work.A lot of us have worked Ovhl at some point in our career.
An AMT working Ovhl or LINE should be compensated the same.As an A/P you should be able to work all
aspects of Aircraft.

Your attitude is the reason that AMFA will not represent the AA AMTs.

 

[AC Tynker]

Well considering the fact that most of those Maint only companies are staffed with AA mechanics it would be interesting to say the least. We already have situations under the current agreement where laid off mechanics, working for an MRO service AA planes. This isnt something new for us, (Class III outsourced, Rockwell Collins, Tanks R Us, etc) whats new is getting rid of system protection and the ASM cap. Thats why we cant undersatnd why those who voted in favor of bringing this back claim that it will save jobs, it wont. Do they really believe what they are saying or are they simply repeating what they were told to say? Why else would they push to eliminate it for us when they actually increased it for the pilots, 95% of them are covered, less than 80% of us have it, if you vote YES none of us have it. While I dont think 4 out of the five hub cities are at risk (headcount will probably continue to increase at some such as MIA and DFW) I would say that the Class II, ORD and LGA are, those may go Eagle and without system protection they can layoff as many as they want in both the Line and OH.

While you claim its easier and faster the fact is its not as cost effective. Show me any major carrier that does it. DFW which includes DWH will likely continue to grow, so is to be it considered a Line Station or an Overhaul station?

I have been trying to see what was going on trend wise around the industry by going to all the majors websites and seeing what services they offer and what stations they offer them to. I'm no statistician so I won't throw any numbers out there but trends through the industry happen all through out the history of aviation, the last decade seen major overhaul outsource trends now Delta Tech Ops turns a bigger profit than the airline did by doing third party line maint., engine overhaul, landing gear overhaul and everything in between down to training and individual CBT. It's just an opinion as I have stated before but the real money is your component overhaul and component lending programs not your line maint although I agree that can be a money maker. Just addressing trends and reading comments from some AMTs from the line acting as if the job they do is above and beyond what overhaul does just doesn't set right with me. We don't call tech reps to help us with our problems they come to us alot for problems the line encounters.

 

[Bob Owens]

I have been trying to see what was going on trend wise around the industry by going to all the majors websites and seeing what services they offer and what stations they offer them to. I'm no statistician so I won't throw any numbers out there but trends through the industry happen all through out the history of aviation, the last decade seen major overhaul outsource trends now Delta Tech Ops turns a bigger profit than the airline did by doing third party line maint., engine overhaul, landing gear overhaul and everything in between down to training and individual CBT. It's just an opinion as I have stated before but the real money is your component overhaul and component lending programs not your line maint although I agree that can be a money maker. Just addressing trends and reading comments from some AMTs from the line acting as if the job they do is above and beyond what overhaul does just doesn't set right with me. We don't call tech reps to help us with our problems they come to us alot for problems the line encounters.

All I can say is dont get sucked into that debate. Anyone can be replaced if cost is not a consideration. Much of what you are talking about is driven from fustration among those on the line that see their peers living fairly well while we struggle and fall way, way behind (back in 2002 we made as much as UPS, now they makes $57,000 more than we do). They fault Tulsa because Tulsa has traditionally driven both Negotiations, with their Roll Call Vote, and the Membership vote, with their 6000 members. However when looked at closly there have always been enough NO Votes out of Tulsa to reject any of those close contract had just those who didnt bother to vote on the line voted NO. In 1995 just the guys from New York that didnt vote could have changed the result had they all voted NO. Hopefully that was the past and enough in Tulsa continue to say NO to unreasonable concessions as they have the last two votes.

 

[1AA]

AMT 66 go away plz. You are no help

I agree!!

 

[Raptorman49]

There ended up being a little over a 100 people in the contract meeting today, Sam Cirri led it I did not see John Hewitt anywhere, I thought Sam did a decent job of telling people why he thinks they should vote yes, Local 514 is not neutral this time around he said they are absolutely recommending a yes vote & that he did not think the negotiators would be able to get anymore anytime soon & in the meantime under the term sheet AA would layoff at least 2,500 people since there wouldn't be an early out for the older people to leave, He said that in the Negotiations the Line Presidents are constantly pushing for Overhaul & the Line to separate & have separate contracts because the Line thinks Overhaul should be paid MRO pay while the Line gets paid Airline Mechanic pay, He said he is adamantly against any kind of separation & has been fighting it.
He said a lot of other things of course I left the meeting after about an hour & half & it was still going, it was very crowded.

If Tulsa does lose enough heads then the line would outnumber Tulsa & would have the Majority to get whatever contract they want at Tulsa's expense .... Not liking that scenario much.

 

[TWU informer]

• FEAR!
• DIVIDE!
• PANIC!
• LIES!

TWU SUCKS!

 

[Mr Red]

ONE MORE TIME, The only thing a YES vote gets, is AA AMTS remaining DEAD LAST IN PAY,BENEFITS.and WORK RULES !!!