TWU and the Company reached a Tentative Agreement

[DNTULSA]

You are just another twu suck, like raptorman, high speed steel and anonymouse.

I cannot believe that any of you are what you purport to be,

I didn't like twu suckees when I was working, and I don't see any reason to like you now.

You twu sucks either have a cushy no workee union position, or you are trying to get one.

Like I typed Informer, nothing personal toward you. You are the one that put out there that you would be more than willing to be a leader and leaders are held to a higher standard and as Raptorman said setting an example for others to follow. Raptorman, Frank, Myself and others have made comments to several other members on here so I promise your not being singled out. If you take an honest look though of how Raptorman was treated for trying to just express his honest opinion and then followed through thread after thread on here constantly being badgered quite aggressively you will see why I typed my paragraph to you.

In all honesty Raptorman and I are at opposite ends of the spectrum on some of our convictions and opinions but after meeting him he seems to be the real deal. What you see is what you get, same in person as he is on here a real stand-up individual. We agree to disagree on things but totally agree on wanting to help make the AA section of this forum a decent place for people to interact without all the crap.

 

[TWU informer]

You are just another twu suck, like raptorman, high speed steel and anonymouse.

I cannot believe that any of you are what you purport to be,

I didn't like twu suckees when I was working, and I don't see any reason to like you now.

You twu sucks either have a cushy no workee union position, or you are trying to get one.

I believe the point is that if you have an opinion, it can be discussed without the name calling and harsh words.

The only point that you just made was that you don't like a few guys and you called them names.

What did that do to improve your position, my position, or get them to understand why your position is what it is?

The request is that we discuss the issues in an adult like manner.
I agree that adlut conversation would not only be more productive, but would also yield better results.

 

[DNTULSA]

Is that you, raptorman?

 

[Raptorman49]

You are just another twu suck, like raptorman, high speed steel and anonymouse.

I cannot believe that any of you are what you purport to be,

I didn't like twu suckees when I was working, and I don't see any reason to like you now.

You twu sucks either have a cushy no workee union position, or you are trying to get one.

Dude you can't be the same in person as you are behind a keyboard, I have met several people from the forum in person & would very much like to meet you in person, Personal message me & I will come see you so we can chat, it appears your In Tulsa so meeting shouldn't be a problem & you can see for yourself first hand what I'm about instead of assuming so many things about me based on who & what you are about, its no secret who I am & where I'm located, hmmm from your last post it appears you & Dave don't know each other, it seems no one knows who you really are ..... How convienent for you.

 

[BigMac]

I'm on mids in hangar 3D. No offence but if I was talked too (in person) like I've seen on here... somebody would be spitting teeth. No I'm not making threats to any particular poster. I'd just like to see that effort put forth to getting a decent contract. Any and everyone is more than welcome to visit me. I may be joining oldman@AA at the front gate sporting a vote no sign soon.

 

[Buck]

I find it very interesting that the new users of this forum come on here to clean up the place and make others feel more welcome.

Those of you who are using company resources, whether the equipment is yours or not are using company time, which is theft. I say clean your personal house before you attempt to mute my behind the keyboard antics and the freedom I am granted by my right as a citizen of this country.

This issue concerning representation is about much more than this forum.

The ignorance concerning AMFA at Northwest and those who are unwilling to set the record straight is appalling.

The Teamsters criminal background has yet to be defended on these forums. They are just great, with no substance to backup the statements.

And the TWU false concern for the AMT when all other TWU groups, Pilots and Flight Attendants are compensated at above the top of their peers, while the AMT is at the bottom.

 

[Realityck]

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Bob: You're the leader of the Vote No contingent so I can understand your position. However, by rejecting the 2010 T/A, how has our negotiating position improved? I know this was before the bankruptcy but some AMFA types were telling me just days prior to the filing, the company wouldn't file, it was all a sham. You didn't have to be a rocket scientist to know everything hinged on the APA negotiations. Nor do I believe if the Judge revokes the contracts as he's likely to do, we will somehow gain an advantage as you're implying. This situation reminds me of the NWA disaster that Delle stumbled into by believing his own BS. Now you, Peterson, and the other AMFA kool-aid drinkers, have taken over his role.[/background]

 

[Raptorman49]

I'm on mids in hangar 3D. No offence but if I was talked too (in person) like I've seen on here... somebody would be spitting teeth. No I'm not making threats to any particular poster. I'd just like to see that effort put forth to getting a decent contract. Any and everyone is more than welcome to visit me. I may be joining oldman@AA at the front gate sporting a vote no sign soon.

In my Travels today I ran into two people who said they would join oldman@AA on the corner, I was impressed to hear that from them, we need to start ostersizing hostile abusive posters if they Refuse to conform to civil behavior like the rest of us.

 

[Overspeed]

Al is a "No" vote. He thinks what the company is trying to push on us is a disgrace. If anything he was being diplomatic and polite since the company was throwing this big party for him. Its telling that his son didnt go into Aviation, he became a mechanic, but not for the Airlines, he works for the MTA.

What is Al's seniority date? Yeah he has nothing to lose.

My kids didn't go in to aviation either. Not because I told them not to but because they should follow their own path.

Flawed logic brother.

 

[High Speed Steel]

How can anyone support this proposal that destroys our careers and it is a management contract not a union contract! The upfront pennies that are being put before us, people actually consider not bad. This is illogical thinking at its best. If you add up what we are giving up for those few upfront pennies you would realize it is insignificant and improportional by far. I can hear the "they can do that" all in this proposal due to very weak language. I guarantee that people are going to complain once the company implements the full force of this management contract. I will say "I warned you and told you so". How is it possible that a union can actually persuade us to vote for a management contract, I am baffled,confused, and still waiting for "fight like hell".
How can a union voluntarily vote away core union premium benefits? Pension,retiree medical,medical and language that will allow the company to violate seniority?
one last pet peeve, how can we vote on a proposal that does not have the full written text? (overtime and fiedl trip rules)

oh I forgot, we did it in 2003......how did that work out for us?

I make no guarantees about the outcome, but i can't vote all this away again and sleep at night knowing I just ruined my life voluntarily.

Perhaps you need to go and take a long look at the companies March 22nd term sheets they will impose. What you are complaining about will be gone anyway also within the March 22nd term sheet is a statement reguarding concensual agreement must be met, and if not, anything with an (*) will not apply. That means there would be no raises, no profit sharing, no Early Out, Pension turned over to the PBGC etc,etc,etc...

What the TA offers is raises, gain sharing plan for Line and Base employees, 36 month wage average adjustment, 48 month early section 6 opener to re-negotiate (we would still get raises as they re-negotiate), profit sharing, matching 401k, Early Out etc,etc,etc...

I will be voting for the TA and I suggest you do the same. If you decide you can't live with it after the fact you can take the Early Out that offer's over $39,500.00, you as well would recieve your prefunding contribution plus interest and if there is a successful Section 1114 filing through the bankruptcy you would get the companies prefunding portion too. This would probably place you near $50,000.00 to sever your ties, and walk away.

Then you could take your skills elswhere to a company who you think would treat you better.....Just my thoughts

 

[AC Tynker]

I find it very interesting that the new users of this forum come on here to clean up the place and make others feel more welcome.

Those of you who are using company resources, whether the equipment is yours or not are using company time, which is theft. I say clean your personal house before you attempt to mute my behind the keyboard antics and the freedom I am granted by my right as a citizen of this country.

That statement right there proves you should re-read the points of concern or if you feel you are well versed in what the intentions are then you have missed the point totally and probably will never grasp it for lack of focus or lack of interest or you just like being against the grain. Whatever the case may be if you were truly paying attention , Again "Make others Feel Welcome" should have been replaced in your sentence with "Make it more Professional". I have a feeling you would try to argue with a wall if nobody was around and you had no net connection so seeing you grasp what we are trying to convey is most likely impossible and I am good with that. Can't win them all I guess.

Those of you who are using company resources, whether the equipment is yours or not are using company time, which is theft. I say clean your personal house before you attempt to mute my behind the keyboard antics and the freedom I am granted by my right as a citizen of this country.

That in my Opinion deserves no more attention than what I am giving it here. The comments that could affect ones employment such as that should be left for PM but I don't expect you to grasp that one either. You are a True Exception to Tact and Professionalism, Whatever you do, don't ever change and Please start and always use Go AMFA when posting stuff like this. The IBT or TWU will most likely thank you one day.

 

[Overspeed]

[font=Helvetica Neue'][background=rgb(255, 255, 255)]Bob: You're the leader of the Vote No contingent so I can understand your position. However, by rejecting the 2010 T/A, how has our negotiating position improved? I know this was before the bankruptcy but some AMFA types were telling me just days prior to the filing, the company wouldn't file, it was all a sham. You didn't have to be a rocket scientist to know everything hinged on the APA negotiations. Nor do I believe if the Judge revokes the contracts as he's likely to do, we will somehow gain an advantage as you're implying. This situation reminds me of the NWA disaster that Delle stumbled into by believing his own BS. Now you, Peterson, and the other AMFA kool-aid drinkers, have taken over his role.[/background][/font]

Only Delle has a nice fat, one time only $500K annuity after shafting all his members. Bob, Peterson, Ruiz, Rojas, and Pike won't be getting that. Why? Because that killer AMFA Constitution had that clause eliminated after good ole' Delle split without a vote by the members. Nice! Gotta love that AMFA democracy.

 

[Overspeed]

How can anyone support this proposal that destroys our careers and it is a management contract not a union contract! The upfront pennies that are being put before us, people actually consider not bad. This is illogical thinking at its best. If you add up what we are giving up for those few upfront pennies you would realize it is insignificant and improportional by far. I can hear the "they can do that" all in this proposal due to very weak language. I guarantee that people are going to complain once the company implements the full force of this management contract. I will say "I warned you and told you so". How is it possible that a union can actually persuade us to vote for a management contract, I am baffled,confused, and still waiting for "fight like hell".
How can a union voluntarily vote away core union premium benefits? Pension,retiree medical,medical and language that will allow the company to violate seniority?
one last pet peeve, how can we vote on a proposal that does not have the full written text? (overtime and fiedl trip rules)

oh I forgot, we did it in 2003......how did that work out for us?

I make no guarantees about the outcome, but i can't vote all this away again and sleep at night knowing I just ruined my life voluntarily.

By telling people to vote no you are asking them to vote away all those things you mentioned plus their jobs. How can an elected union official tell them to do that without advising them of the very real and strong possibility that the contract will get abrogated when they do vote no? Sounds like your withholding of the facts is a legitimate DFR. Especially if I lost my job over it.

And Chuck how is that construction and marriage counseling business going? I though that was your ticket out of here. Guess the grass is not that greener on the outside. Easier to accept your TWU negotiated wages, work rules, and TWU salary then really man up and go get one of those thousands of high paid jobs you reference. UPS, jetBlue, and WN wouldn't hire you would they. You had since 2003 to go hire on with them. What happened?

 

[TWU informer]

Only Delle has a nice fat, one time only $500K annuity after shafting all his members. Bob, Peterson, Ruiz, Rojas, and Pike won't be getting that. Why? Because that killer AMFA Constitution had that clause eliminated after good ole' Delle split without a vote by the members. Nice! Gotta love that AMFA democracy.

Complete and utter lie.
EVERY Constitutional change and the retirement was voted on by the membership.

You can continue to lie all you want, but with every TWU the truth will prevail.
Gotta love that TWU EVIL and attempts prevail at all cost.

 

[aapitbull]

In my Travels today I ran into two people who said they would join oldman@AA on the corner, I was impressed to hear that from them, we need to start ostersizing hostile abusive posters if they Refuse to conform to civil behavior like the rest of us.

Look this is a open forum and while I believe in civil discourse no one here has the right to ostersize as you say anyone you can choose to ignore folks post in fact that is a option on the forum but from my perspective it is guys like yourselfs illogical approach to this matter that drives alot of the emotion that causes the name calling

Ex. We as a group pay somewhere around 700,000 dollars a month to the TWU to represent us, we cannot elect recall or control in any way those who are misusing our money. So we are dissatisfied with their leadership and seek change, you promote change to a organization with the very same structure as the one you are presently in and when presented with the facts that you will be right back to square one if we change to the teamsters, infact in some ways like being thrown into giant locals where we will have no say, it will be worse. Your only response is you do not care you just want rid of the TWU, we on the other hand say if you are going to change you need to control your own money and leadership with a constitution like AMFA"s Go read the constitution of the teamsters and see all the appointed postions and they will use them just like the TWU to reward those who saleout the membership if you cannot see how this infuriates those of us who have done the research and know the truth and are not simplly running around like a chicken with its head cut off I do not know what to tell you.

You have said more than once you realize AMFA is the better choice and you would vote for them over the Teamsters given a choice, but you will not fight for the right change you will accept any change well I am for change I will fight for the right change.Go ahead a sale yourself to the TWU's hand picked surrogate and watch Jim Little laughs at you while he pockets the 9 million in the local and gets a kick back from the teamsters for making it happen you are just a puppet and Jim Little is your master.

Hey but you can tell yourself you won until the reality of the teamsters sets in!!!!!