TWU and the Company reached a Tentative Agreement

[swamt]

VIdeo.....wouldn't it have been nice to have Negotiations video taped ! Im sure that to the
TWU, that it would be like garlic to a vampire.

Very true my friend.

 

[Buck]

The TWU did get above average in July 2010 and we voted no because it was a crappy deal. You had above average and we said that was not good enough. The TWU told all of us that we risked the possibility of BK and we as a group said we were fine with that risk.

I am not arguing that we are on the express elevator to lowest paid. The lawyers made the best argument they could however the law favors the creditors not the employees in BK. Sad but true.

We can all lay out all the stats on market rate that show we are going to be the lowest paid but Judge Lane is not guided by market rate.

Yes but when you are quoting our wages you should use what is in the contract book and not some made up number to try and play the membership and these posters. We are not even on your elevator. If we could get the same compensation position as the Fleet Service, Pilots or the Flight Attendants, then and only then would we be in a competitive position within our industry.

 

[Buck]

Yes there is. I was presenting the "silver lining" to the discussion.

Silver was rather expensive, Judas....

 

[odie01]

Voting instructions are out and it looks like they are using Ballotpoint again, you can pull up all the info you need to make a fair and balance decission on the twu website.

 

[1AA]

ATTENTION!! AMFA INFO MEETING WITH AA'ers BEING HELD THIS WEEKEND AT HOTEL. COME ALL ASK ANYTHING, BUT REMAIN PROFFESSIONAL. VIDEO ALL OF IT TO SHOW HOW THE TWU WILL RESPOND. GOOD LUCK GUYS!!!!

You mean the TWU will respond? Hopefully it wont be a casket charge to the door.
Dont be surprised if the Teamsters show up to do the dirty work for the TWU.

 

[Overspeed]

Everytime you bring up 2010,you fail to mention what would be given up !!!How is it a raise if your paying for it out of your own pocket!!!

What are you giving up now? Nothing, it's being ripped out your CBA by the BK court.

And what did you give up in the July 2010 TA? Was it outsourcing? No because the cap stayed the same? Was it job security? No because that stayed in. Now retiree medical prefunding, I didn't like that either however it is better than today isn't it. Retiree medical is a thing of the past now. You don't even have that now. So how did voting no on the 2010 TA get us a better deal now? Quick answer, it didn't. We are going to get shafted like it or not. Welcome to the Wall Street BK show where the employees get pounded and the execs get richer regardless. Go ask Tilton, he is still counting his BK millions from UA.

 

[paul1]

funny local 514 is the only site posting any info

still only 5 holidays and 1st sick day 50% wtf

 

[Overspeed]

Silver was rather expensive, Judas....

Ouch

Even Judas served a purpose did he not? He was fulfilling a role in God's plan for the human race's salvation even if they didn't want it.

 

[paul1]

2010 tulsa and afw didn't want to work weekends for str. pay. Now look and its going to get worse lol

 

[BigMac]

FULL TEXT FOR M&R AND STORES


http://twu514.org/blog/2012/07/13/full-text-july-10-2012-tentative-agreements/

 

[Buck]

Ouch

Even Judas served a purpose did he not? He was fulfilling a role in God's plan for the human race's salvation even if they didn't want it.

So now you are part of God's plan? What role are you fulfilling? And you are forcing a position on the mechanics at AA, even if they do not want. Come on out and sign a representational election card and let's let the membership decide their fate, instead of this continual hand holding.

 

[1AA]

This time the full text was released sooner than the previous one.
I wonder how many hidden details to be ratified at a later date is in the text.
Either way I am still voting NO. This is not a contract. It is an ultimatum. I'll take the ultimatum.

Hurry up with the YouTube videos. We need to educate the Yes voters again.

 

[Buck]

This time the full text was released sooner than the previous one.
I wonder how many hidden details to be ratified at a later date is in the text.
Either way I am still voting NO. This is not a contract. It is an ultimatum. I'll take the ultimatum.

Hurry up with the YouTube videos. We need to educate the Yes voters again.

Maybe someone from the TWU can explain the potential for unlimited outsourcing in the Article 1 Scope?

 

[Overspeed]

So now you are part of God's plan? What role are you fulfilling? And you are forcing a position on the mechanics at AA, even if they do not want. Come on out and sign a representational election card and let's let the membership decide their fate, instead of this continual hand holding.

Uh no.

 

[Buster CRC]

JULY 2012 TO: ALL TWU MECHANIC & RELATED AND STORES AMERICAN AIRLINES MEMBERS You have the opportunity to consider the full text of the proposed tentative agreement between the TWU and American Airlines covering our mechanic & related and stores membership. If the agreement is approved, the Company will withdraw its motion to reject our collective bargaining agreement now pending in Bankruptcy Court. If the proposed agreement is rejected, Judge Lane will issue his decision on, or around, August 15, 2012. The Company offered the APA a contract that moderated its concession demands; the TWU work groups with ratified agreements were contractually entitled to the same treatment. After considerable discussion, the Company agreed to apply the same principles to all TWU represented work groups. Among other things, the tentative agreement you are now considering offers enhanced protection against outsourcing, better pay and better health care than the May LBO and is far better on all these matters than the “Ask” which the Company will be authorized to impose in the event our contract is rejected. The agreement also offers a wage adjustment based on industry standard after 36 months. This is not a wage “opener”, but rather a contractually required adjustment based on wages paid by competing major carriers. We would urge you to keep several facts in mind. First, this agreement was not the result of normal Section 6 negotiations under the Railway Labor Act. The negotiations occurred pursuant to Section 1113 of the Bankruptcy Code, which requires us to negotiate over those concessions necessary to permit the successful reorganization of the company in bankruptcy. Negotiations with bankrupt companies under this statute do not produce industry leading or industry standard contracts, nor will a Bankruptcy Court accept that the refusal of a bankrupt company to offer such an agreement is a reasonable basis for rejecting a consensual agreement. Second, while the TWU hired highly qualified professionals to handle our case before the Bankruptcy Court, no professional working on the case believes that the Court will not grant the Company’s motion to reject. There are numerous reasons for this, starting with the fact that such motions have been virtually uniformly granted by the courts over the last decade. It is also the case that the court only delayed its decision to give the various AA unions an opportunity to ratify consensual agreements. There would be no reason for this delay if the court were prepared to rule against the Company. Rejection of our contract in court is almost inevitable if this proposed agreement is not ratified. We recognize that there are those who are urging that you absorb the pain associated with this rejection and imposition of the Company’s “Ask” on the theory that, at some point down the road, the Company will be compelled to withdraw its concession demands and provide an industry leading agreement. The theory that there will be either expeditious negotiations or a quick release in the wake of the rejection of our contract by the Bankruptcy Court is, at best, pure speculation. What is not speculation is that, while this process is playing out over the course of years the membership will be deprived of pay and benefits, work which could be saved will be outsourced, and people will be unnecessarily furloughed or downgraded. The bottom line is that no work group has ever fared better after having its contract rejected in bankruptcy and those advocating such strategy will be unable to point to a single instance in which it worked. Airline bankruptcies typically produce mass outsourcing, job loss, and pension terminations. We will not hide the fact that this proposed agreement calls for more sacrifice from a Company that has demanded too much. However, the proposed contract protects the membership against the worst consequences typically inflicted on employees in bankruptcy. When voting, you should carefully consider whether you want to risk this protection to pursue a strategy that will inflict enormous pain without any realistic possibility of success.
Fraternally,
Garry Drummond Director
Air Transport Division