TWU and IAM representation alliance vote

[Flying low]

So you don't want to say how many mechanics are working at FedEx and UPS. That's telling.
Here is another question. Why doesn't the AMFA contracts include fedEx and UPS in their wage adjustment comparisons?
The AMFA supporters always talk about FedEx and UPS, but their chosen replacement for the TWU and IAM doesn't use those wages as a viable comparison. Interesting.

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Is the TWU using FedEx/UPS in the wage comparison raise we're supposed to be getting?


I don't think so.....

 

[NYer]

Is the TWU using FedEx/UPS in the wage comparison raise we're supposed to be getting?
I don't think so.....[/quote]

Neither is AMFA......your point?

 

[NYer]

How will the respected executive boards of each union be voted for with an allliance union? Say the alliance were to get a majority vote? You may have already discussed this but im the FNG looking for info. Hope I dont get my head chewed of for saying that an alliance might be better for negotiating a contract instead of splintered groups? That way the company cant pit union against union? Or is it possible that the TWU takes MX and the IAM Ramp swap a rama to capture good faith? Again just things I need potential clarification on if im off base please explain?

The Association doesn't have or need a Board.

 

[xUT]

Is the TWU using FedEx/UPS in the wage comparison raise we're supposed to be getting?
I don't think so.....

Neither is AMFA......your point?

[/QUOTE]FYI,
The 'company' determines what it chooses for 'industry standard' rates.
AMFA had been pushing for UPS/FEDEX rates or years but the 'company' pushes back.
Doesn't which union tries it, the 'company' will not accept it.
B) xUT

 

[Flying low]

Is the TWU using FedEx/UPS in the wage comparison raise we're supposed to be getting?
I don't think so.....

Neither is AMFA......your point?[/quote]

Why did you not include the TWU in saying that AMFA. Isn't using fedex/ ups in wage comparison? If your going to to blame one association for not doing it, then I feel you should INCLUDE all associations/ unions.

 

[Bob Owens]

How many licensed aircraft mechanics are there at FedEx and UPS?

I can say that despite the fact that the mechanics to aircraft ratios between us are converging our compensation is diverging, with ours doing more diving than verging. They have never traded away work for higher wages as you apologists claim, they never had it, even when we were paid around the same.
 
So is it better to have twice as many mechanics working over time or people earning enough on strait time so they need hire more? You seem to adhere to the Walmart business plan for Unions, selling their members at a discount in order to achieve a higher volume of dues. 

 

[Bob Owens]

 

 
I suppose thats its fair to say you only care about what FSCs make in Class I stations since you supported shutting down all the class IIs to keep your wage near the top of the industry. 

I would love it if you can find where or when I have ever said something like that or ever would say something like that? What I have said is that I would like to see COLA's so we don't have to worry about the company wanting to continue to go after small stations because they can outsource them to the lowest bidder and people keep signing up to do those jobs.

I've also stated quite clearly that you should be making more (LGA, JFK) than people who work in TUL whether they want to hear that or not.
 
 
If we went in as one Union the line would be as big as Tulsa, but not probably bigger than OH, depending on how the US OH facilities were handled. The Alliance has the right to do as they please with any of us. We hear nothing from any IAM Local officials, if the Alliance wants to silence 591 they can simply throw us all in the IAM, we have zero say in the matter.

You think thats fine, and you support that

NO I do not support that!


but I may remind you they can do the same to fleet. Any time they get a Local that does not go with their plan of giving AA whatever AA wants they simply swap those members between Unions and none of the members have a say in it.

I thought you only a few weeks ago said that you liked Harry Lombardo and thought he should be given a chance? Have you changed your mind already?



 Don't be surprised if the TWU Locals decide that its only fair that we all pay the same dues and raise the dues to match the IAM rates either,

The IAM dues are different depending on where you work. Some are lower, most are higher and they're supposedly tied into the rate of inflation. I'd like to see them actually change it to the way we do it. 

591 has no need to raise dues but many of the Fleet Locals are hurting financially.  Once they roll us all into the IAMPF

I don't believe that we are going to be FORCED into the IAMPF. If they try to do that just tell me where to go with my bag of tomatoes? I will support people being able to choose which one they like better and want though.

they figure they will have us all bound to this Alliance no matter how bad of a job they do, look at what just happened at US a year ago. They had a representation vote and they stayed, and what did the IAM get them in return for their Loyalty? Bottom of the industry pay, no profit sharing and we can work on their airplanes. They gave away the store, they gave away half the little leverage we would have in Joint negotiations by agreeing to let us work their equipment. They told them they would get a better deal in joint then gave away the only leverage they had. Pitiful. 
 
​No I didn't see your name. 

Go back in the thread and look. You called me out and I didn't shy away and now you're saying that you didn't notice? C'mon.
 
 

 

When have I ever said Tulsa should be making less than us? I have said that if they aren't willing to fight for more that they should not drag us down with them. I have no problem with standing shoulder to shoulder with my fellow mechanics to fight for $50/hr, but if they don't want to do that they should not resist at least supporting a geo rate that would bring us up to what all our peers are making. In negotiations Hewitt said "not one penny more for the line, if you do then this deal is D.O.A. in Tulsa, I'll make sure of it". So the representative from Tulsa was ok with all the concessions but only on the condition that nothing was done to ease the pain on the line one IOTA, despite the fact that they knew we were already hurting, it was only 50 cents an hour. 
 
So do you support the Alliance or not? You can't say you support it but are against what the Alliance has already stated.
 
IAMPF-beleive what you want, but at least read the document, it clearly states their intent get us all into the IAMPF. You won't be forced into that any more than you were forced out of pre funding. 
 
I think Harry is an improvement over Little, as I think he is truly a Union man, dispatch, Sim Tech, and the Flight Instructors. Little was simply a fraud who made sure AA got whatever they wanted. Unfortunately Harry has limited knowledge of our industry and had made the mistake of stacking the ATD with Fleet service clerks. This was done for political reasons at the Convention, Tulsa also got a seat. It has already cost the TWU three other groups, . Lets face it, Union business, even at the Local level is a pretty great escape for a FSC. Much better pay and much less wear and tear on your body. For us its additional pay but hour for hour we could do better with less stress on the floor. There has always been a long history of resentment between the two groups. Fleet see maint as prima donnas, pampered by the company that looks the other way when a mechanic screws up but quickly terminates a FSC for the same thing. Now they have complete control of the ATD.  
 
I can't be bothered to go back and look for your name, Ok you came out, good. 

 

[700UW]

FedEx and UPS farmout their heavy checks.
 
But we all know you arent a trade unionist Bob, you are a closet AMFA Supporter who would sell overhaul out as long as you and your fellow line mechanics get paid, screw the OH mechanics, right Bob?
 
A union is about all its members and classifications, not just one group.

 

[Bob Owens]

FedEx and UPS farmout their heavy checks.
 
But we all know you arent a trade unionist Bob, you are a closet AMFA Supporter who would sell overhaul out as long as you and your fellow line mechanics get paid, screw the OH mechanics, right Bob?
 
A union is about all its members and classifications, not just one group.

They always did farm out their heavies, even when we made more than them. 
 
You are a closet company man, hiding behind a union logo to get the company things that even non-union companies can't get. Company's have always tried the lie of lower wages and more people will work, and real Unions always fought against that lie. 
 
A Union is about getting good contracts for their members, not more dues payers to support the bloated wages, pensions and benefits that Union Bosses garner for themselves but not their members. 
 
Sorry but workers don't join Unions so they can discount their labor. 

 

[TRAVIS]

Here we go. I'll go get the mop again.
 
WELL SAID BOB!!!!

 

[700UW]

Cant be a company man for a company I dont work for, now can I?
 
And when I did work and was a rep, I was never a company person, you can ask anyone I worked with or represented that question.
 
And you avoided that you are a Closet AMFA supporter and that you want to cut overhaul's throat to line your own wallet.
 
So how is Thomas Paine these days?

 

[Chuck Schalk]

Cant be a company man for a company I dont work for, now can I?
 
And when I did work and was a rep, I was never a company person, you can ask anyone I worked with or represented that question.
 
And you avoided that you are a Closet AMFA supporter and that you want to cut overhaul's throat to line your own wallet.
 
So how is Thomas Paine these days?

here we go with the line-overhaul play book.  This has been played dozens of times with the only agenda to divide and conquer within our members.  I thought we told our members not to let the company do this?

 

[700UW]

Hey Chuck,
 
Hand any cards out lately?
 
Did you sign one?

 

[blue collar]

700- it's very unionist of you to call out other unionists. Does a lot to help the cause.

 

[Vortilon]

Hey Chuck,
 
Hand any cards out lately?
 
Did you sign one?

You gonna pull out that old chestnut, and call them elitist as well?