Kev3188
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If things work out the way I want them to, ramp/cargo at DL will be making a run at that title. 
TWU and IAM representation alliance vote
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yoyodyne
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Kev3188 said:If things work out the way I want them to, ramp/cargo at DL will be making a run at that title.
Sure, ok...
xUT
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Just my 2 cents as I have no dog in this fight.
I find the whole AA experience quite bizarre.
The twu has screwed over the M&R numerous times and yet 'you' (not we) have twu apologists.
The twu invited in the ibt to be spoilers in the AMFA drive and the ibt submitted card short just to reset the clock.
I find the whole actions of both the twu/ibt as repulsive.
Both the iam and twu knew that this 'alliance' vote was not what the membership wanted but did it anyway, even with the possibility of being De-certified.
So who are they serving?
Short answer... "NOT YOU"!
Good Luck Guys N'Gals!
Your going to need it!
JMHO,
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I find the whole AA experience quite bizarre.
The twu has screwed over the M&R numerous times and yet 'you' (not we) have twu apologists.
The twu invited in the ibt to be spoilers in the AMFA drive and the ibt submitted card short just to reset the clock.
I find the whole actions of both the twu/ibt as repulsive.
Both the iam and twu knew that this 'alliance' vote was not what the membership wanted but did it anyway, even with the possibility of being De-certified.
So who are they serving?
Short answer... "NOT YOU"!
Good Luck Guys N'Gals!
Your going to need it!
JMHO,
B) xUT
Glenn Quagmire
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I can tell you that those meetings going on at TWU and IAM headquarters are not about getting the membership better deals. They are solely about scoring the ability to get the membership covered by one of their CBA'S...under a closed shop.
If any if you think differently, you are delusional.
If any if you think differently, you are delusional.
Received a response back from NMB. In short he does not know what options will be on the ballot. I find this hard to believe. And why can't he find out when we are always directed to them for ANY questions about ANY subjects. Lame excuse to laziness if you ask me. Here's his email back to me, it's pretty much self explained:
I do not know what the options will be on the ballot if NMB conducts the election. Therefore, NMB has no comment regarding that question.
I do not know what the options will be on the ballot if NMB conducts the election. Therefore, NMB has no comment regarding that question.
TWU informer
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swamt said:
What part of the NMB will approve the alliance without a vote does everyone not understand?
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How can you be so certain this will be the case?TWU informer said:
AMFAinMIAMI
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The important thing to remember is that everyone that is in the TWU will have a say, that will also mean the IAM guys at USAir as well.
This is just NOT a maintenance thing this is a complete union thing.
If you don't want this to happen as far as maintenance is concerned, every mechanic will have to vote.
Other wise we will be out voted by shear numbers on the ramp/fleet/stores and other work groups.
Whether or Not the AMFA cards will be accepted by the NMB is also another question.
If you have not signed a AMFA card as of yet you better rethink the reason why not.
AMFA at AA 2014
^^^^^^^^ Are you sure? According to the info from the twu Q & A each group or craft and class will have their own voting on both the aa side and usair side. If memory serves me correct there are three groups voting. As far as the filing I believe amfa can file anytime after the 20th of this month. If I understood your post the entire twu and IAM represented members will have a one for all vote. Is that what your saying? If so then your mistaken based on the info from the twu documents.
La Li Lu Le Lo
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Does that answer your question?1AA said:
AMFAinMIAMI
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To answer your question am I sue this is the way it will go "NO" but what I am sure of that each group from both airline will be voting together and that AA has before lumped different work group members in with us to inflate the numbers. This could happen again.
Then its up to the organizers to disprove that they are not eligible people with in our class and craft. There is a guy in Dallas with the data base who has kept it up for more than 15 yrs. Now has the IAM list as well due to the FOIA.
This is still all premature since we don't know if the NMB is even going to give us a chance to vote. If we do get a vote we can't have the same type of I don't care attitude that we had with our contract. All the guys who didn't even take the time to vote, could of changed the outcome last time, if they just voted.
Now to the point of the AMFA cards, will the NMB come up with some type of ruling that will prevent us from filing our cards that is another question. Last time they invoked that rule 3 clause because AA turned in its list just hrs after the IBT filed.
Not having the cards in the same day as the paperwork was a mistake last time, we can't take anything for granted and must be fully prepared for anything.
If you don't want this Association between the TWU/IAM then sign a AMFA card NOW.
With all the TWU has done are we going to take the chance again. No one will be able to blame the organizers this time if we fall short with cards. That is going to be on each mechanic that refused to get involved.
What scenario is going to played out for us, I DON"T KNOW. it's just going to be a wait and see what happens next game. But what needs to happen NOW is that in each break room the conversation of what we as a group plan to do if we do get a VOTE.
Well since you seem to be more involved as a organizer why don't you verify this with the guy you mentioned in DFW. I posted the letter saying that we will vote in separate classifications. You have a gut feeling it won't play that way. I am not going to debate this but we all agree on getting cards signed from both airlines. I doubt the NMB will block AMFA from filing after the 20th of August. If we file after the 20th and before the NMB makes a ruling on whether or not the Alliance vote will take place there should be no problems. First the SCS approval must be made then the decision on the Alliance voting decision after that. So if we get cards in quickly I do not see a problem filing before the Alliance decision is made. This info needs to be verified but since you know guys on the organizers group ask them and let us know what they say. I only post and share info that has been released or posted by both unions or AMFA.
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