TWU and IAM representation alliance vote

[blue collar]

swamt I understand that you would like the chance to vote so you can write in your preferred choice of AMFA but at the same time the "No Union" option should be something that you all should be very fearful of. I don't know what station you work in but I can tell you from having spent 12 years in DFW that there is an anti union conservative mindset outside of the East coast pro Union mentality.

I know how many of you have stated your dislike of the TWU and the Association but this is not the option that anyone should want to be able to possibly make that change. And aside from that historically the write in option has very little chance of being successful.

Basically considering what happened over at Delta, yes I do believe this vote is playing with fire and if at all possible is best avoided.

I wouldn't want to be non-union either, but that doesn't mean that there shouldn't be a vote. Are you saying that you would rather your coworkers voices be silenced, than you possibly losing representation? If the alliance were to lose the vote- it wouldn't be due to the anti-union members, it would be due to the fact that the union(s) that are on the ballot failed to deliver the expected results/representation to the members.

 

[WeAAsles]

I wouldn't want to be non-union either, but that doesn't mean that there shouldn't be a vote. Are you saying that you would rather your coworkers voices be silenced, than you possibly losing representation? If the alliance were to lose the vote- it wouldn't be due to the anti-union members, it would be due to the fact that the union(s) that are on the ballot failed to deliver the expected results/representation to the members.

I am absolutely not saying that the members voices shouldn't be heard or that they should be silenced. What I am saying is that if it wasn't for the merger and the procedures governed by the NMB the possibility of any of us losing representation wouldn't even exist in the first place.

The NMB has procedures in place if the majority of the membership wants to decertify their Union and be unrepresented moving forward. That process is very similar to what you guys are doing with your AMFA drive and takes the same level of work and perseverance as trying to become organized with a union does as well.

This process puts that ability right at your front door with the only level of work needed being a pen stroke and a stamp. Or even easier being a simple stroke on your keyboard.

I don't care what Union you prefer or want to represent you but I do know that anyone who does support a Union or being organized shouldn't like how easy this process just might be to wind up losing one.

 

[1AA]

We really need to wake up folks. This alliance is more about just having two unions into one. The pensions are the big reason that they will not talk about. Its a diversion from one of the main reasons not so much about the alliance.
 
The IAM wants our pensions or join their pension plan. Well if that happens we at AA lose our 5.5% match. As bad as the match is as far as investment percentage the IAM plan is worse. Read on and see for yourselves.
 

 

[WeAAsles]

And I'm going to go a little bit off on a tangent here and say that I absolutely agree that the IAM/TWU Association needs to get on the ball and start selling itself irregardless of whether we get to vote for it or not.

I understand that both Unions were dealing with other issues that took time away from that but now is the time to inform the members about what they feel are the positives for all of us in moving forward together?
 

We really need to wake up folks. This alliance is more about just having two unions into one. The pensions are the big reason that they will not talk about. Its a diversion from one of the main reasons not so much about the alliance.
 
The IAM wants our pensions or join their pension plan. Well if that happens we at AA lose our 5.5% match. As bad as the match is as far as investment percentage the IAM plan is worse. Read on and see for yourselves.
 

The IAM cannot get our Pension to be unfrozen and placed into there plan by law. And even if it was a consideration I can absolutely guarantee you that Josh Gotbaum of the PBGC would have something to say about it. He was the one who lobbied the government to not allow AA to turn it over in the first place.

At best what the TWU has agreed to is asking the company if we can participate in it? More than likely that will not be agreed to by the company because they do understand all the risks associated with multiemployer Pension plans. And even IF the company did agree to it though, it would more than likely be an option between the Pension or continuing on with the match.

And in case you're wondering, yes I support the continuation of my match over going into the IAMPF if the choice were sitting in front of me to make.

 

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

Pot meet kettle...
IIRC, AMFA does not have 'professional' union organizers like the industrial unions.
AMFA has always been grass roots.
B) xUT

That is 700UW showing his stupidity. Ask that lying weasel if he is on IAM payroll.
 
I have 700UW on ignore and I am still subjected to the lying, egotistical sycophant. 

 

[700UW]

That is 700UW showing his stupidity. Ask that lying weasel if he is on IAM payroll.
 
I have 700UW on ignore and I am still subjected to the lying, egotistical sycophant. 

Funny why are you talking about me if you have me on ignore?
 
And how many times are you going to turn a topic into your vendetta against me and then try to make the topic about me.
 
Can you not debate or refute with facts instead of just personal attacks?

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

Hey 700UW feel free to use this for your avatar. If you are going to be a tool of the IAM you might as well wear their badge.
 

 

[WeAAsles]

Since we've been discussing the issue. This ruling just came out today.
 
This is APA Communications Director Gregg Overman with the APA Information Hotline for Friday, Aug. 8.
NATIONAL MEDIATION BOARD RULING: The National Mediation Board has determined that American Airlines and US Airways "are operating as a single transportation system for representation purposes" in response to APA's Jan. 15, 2014, application for a single-carrier determination. The NMB issued its determination at noon Eastern today.

In accordance with the NMB's standard procedures, APA "and any Intervenor have 30 days from the date of this determination to file an application supported by a showing of interest of at least 50% of the single transportation system." APA has previously submitted evidence to the NMB that we represent approximately two-thirds of the combined pilot group.
At the end of the 30-day period, the NMB will either certify APA as the bargaining agent for the pilots of American Airlines or call for an election between APA and no union.
That's it for now. Thank you for checking this hotline.

https://public.alliedpilots.org/apa/ForTheMedia/APAInformationHotline.aspx

 

[700UW]

Hey 700UW feel free to use this for your avatar. If you are going to be a tool of the IAM you might as well wear their badge.
 

Why are you obsessed with me?

The topic is not 700IUW, are you a stalker?

 

[700UW]

 

[swamt]

 
700UW live in the NOW. It's over. Now go cry in the corner.
 

 
The NEW N700UW paint scheme. Accept it.
 
 
I hope you see this in the future as well. Notice the AA in AMFA? That is an OMEN.
 

You made a great point.  Could some of you handy with computers make the first A in Red and the second one in Blue?   Pretty sure nobody will be sued for copywrites,  LOL...

 

[swamt]

Since we've been discussing the issue. This ruling just came out today.
 
This is APA Communications Director Gregg Overman with the APA Information Hotline for Friday, Aug. 8.
NATIONAL MEDIATION BOARD RULING: The National Mediation Board has determined that American Airlines and US Airways "are operating as a single transportation system for representation purposes" in response to APA's Jan. 15, 2014, application for a single-carrier determination. The NMB issued its determination at noon Eastern today.

In accordance with the NMB's standard procedures, APA "and any Intervenor have 30 days from the date of this determination to file an application supported by a showing of interest of at least 50% of the single transportation system." APA has previously submitted evidence to the NMB that we represent approximately two-thirds of the combined pilot group.
At the end of the 30-day period, the NMB will either certify APA as the bargaining agent for the pilots of American Airlines or call for an election between APA and no union.
That's it for now. Thank you for checking this hotline.

https://public.alliedpilots.org/apa/ForTheMedia/APAInformationHotline.aspx

Ok.  I think everyone is on the same page as far as how the NMB will rule on the filing by the TWU/IAM.  Will they have to take the 6 months to give the ruling decision?  I would think not, since they have done all the investigation for SC status.  Pretty sure there will be an answer sooner.   Not sure if the AMFA organizers will be able to collect enough cards in the time period that will be alotted.  After the announcement they will get 30 days as stated above.  I hate to say it but I would be will to bet an announcement within the 3rd Q.
 
Thx for the update WeAAsles.  What is your thoughts on the time frame?  Do you think they will take the 6 months from filing to announcement?  Same company just different work groups and different unions applying for the very same SCS that they just spent 6 months investigating.  Or is there more to it that they still have to investigate the unions and all work groups covered.   Sorry for all the questions, but this kind of movements by unions and companies are all new to me.  It appears you will get your wish, I can only hope I am wrong, but I don't think there will be enough time, unless the US guys can come around as quickly as we did when we fired the teamsters.  They are a small enough group to do so and they really do want change.  Good luck to you all no matter the outcome...

 

[TRAVIS]

here u go SWAMT

 

[TRAVIS]

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[Real tired]

^^^^^^^^^
You're the man!!!
 
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