odie01
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Article 42 is just one of many, but the most critical to our careers, and Tulsa gave it away!!! Its not your fault Donna, its your lame ass leadership. Good luck xoxoxo
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Anomaly
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NO I DO NOT. But an excellent point. UAL was given the right to send our work to China. This was done while we were represented by amfa. See the pattern??
odie01
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Analinme, we've been through this a hundred times Give it up shitbird
AA89
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Anomoly, I see a pattern throughout the industry. Outsourcing of most heavy maintenance. Despite what the yes voters believe AA will do the same and we are represented by the TWU. While this is going on, our line mechanics will be far behind our peers for at least 3 years.
Would AMFA have stopped the outsourcing? Absolutely not. But would the line guys lower than industry pay be subsidizing overhaul jobs that no other airlines have. Probably not.
Just a difference of opinion. I think the higher skilled, higher liability jobs should be compensated accordingly.
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Would AMFA have stopped the outsourcing? Absolutely not. But would the line guys lower than industry pay be subsidizing overhaul jobs that no other airlines have. Probably not.
Just a difference of opinion. I think the higher skilled, higher liability jobs should be compensated accordingly.
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Anomaly
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A typical amfa response. You do realize that line mechanics are outsourced too? There are plenty of non licensed mechanics doing our job as well. With vendors operating under FAR 145, as long as the one who signs off the release is ticketed, the others doing the work can be anybody. This is not just an overhaul issue. You are correct however, amfa will do nothing to stop this. They will, like you, only ask for higher wages for the fewer and fewer "highly skilled mechanics".
Good luck with that.
After seeing some of the responses here to AMFA I now realize bringing another union like AMFA is a pipe dream. Tulsa would rather bend over and grab their ankles and allow the twu/ AA to do as they please with the amts. I feel sorry for all the hard working mechs of this company.
Anomaly
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We brought amfa into UAL. A few months later, we all felt like we were bent over and grabbing our ankles. amfa supplied the lube. That was it.
4A Mechanic
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Anomaly, why is it your the only UAL mechanic speaking against AMFA and there are several UAL mechanics speaking again the teamsters. You seem to be the minority. Why should we listen to you? It seems you are loosing the battle, give it up! GO AMFA!
Lloyd Grey
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Where were the unions? Even non union MRO companies have to compete with offshore chop shops called "Repair Stations"....
Why didn't Obama do something about this in his first two years? TWU put out one press release in 2009 and let the subject die.
Where were we? Were we proactive then? Are we doing anything about foreign repair stations now?
AA89
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Yeah, it probably is a typical AMFA response. And yours would a typical non-Amfa response. Like I said its just a difference of philosophies. Of course any job can be outsourced (except upper management of course). We can agree I think that no union will stop a management that wants to outsource. It has been my opinion since I hired on at AA 23 years ago that mechanics would do better with a union representing mechanics. A lot has happened in those years and neither union has a perfect track record but as a licensed A & P I think AMFA is better over the long haul.
AA89
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How can ANY union beat the RLA ? Beat that and there is BK court waiting. The deck is stacked against labor.What's Obama supposed to do? Outlaw outsourcing? Our state representatives aren't even interested.Illegal action by every worker at every airline is the only way to stop what is happeneing. That's highly unlikely.
Jobs saved? True but the 1400 or so AMT's in AFW will bump into Tulsa. Not all will bump but the TWU preached by voting Yes we will cut our losses down to 700. OPPS what about the AFW guys losing their station? Well those 700 bottom guys are gone according to the TWU. Them come the bumps. How many? Figure on at least 50%. 700 gone and 700 more bumped. So Tulsa may lose 1400 to job cuts and bumping. What a mess, this is starting to unravel for the AMT's in Tulsa. Mislead again by the TWU leadership of 514.
I spoke to a instructor in training and he said that he was told by his boss in HDQ that it is possible that the overhaul guys may not be allowed to bump the line due to lack of quals. AA is all about saving money and with our vague LBO that has yet to have finalized language, it is possible to go this route. No more 12,500. It costs money to put a guy in training to get his quals. They cover training with OT. That costs money. Did the 514 leadership think of this possibility? So sad. We are all the ones that will suffer.
I spoke to a instructor in training and he said that he was told by his boss in HDQ that it is possible that the overhaul guys may not be allowed to bump the line due to lack of quals. AA is all about saving money and with our vague LBO that has yet to have finalized language, it is possible to go this route. No more 12,500. It costs money to put a guy in training to get his quals. They cover training with OT. That costs money. Did the 514 leadership think of this possibility? So sad. We are all the ones that will suffer.
