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usairways_vote_NO said:
What do you mean rapid -fire decisions haha so do bus drivers (that would be road ones)
Oh, come on. 🙄 Bus drivers (the road ones) don't have to deal with anywhere near the complexity of a gusty crosswind low vis landing.

And where do you get off saying mechanics don't have to make rapid fire decisions I was under the impression they did and can be under extreme pressure to get aircraft repaired and in back in service while keeping everything safe?
I guess this is where I get off. :lol: There's a big difference between the extreme pressure to get the aircraft repaired and back in service, where quick is measured in minutes, and the extreme pressure of the aforementioned landing, where quick is measured in tenths of a second. That'd be a couple of orders of magnitude difference, in fact.
 
USA320Pilot said:
With all due respect, pilots can do many other things than just fly aircraft.
With all due respect, you're taking the statements too literally. Yes, pilots can be trapeze artists as well, but the point really is that there is not a readily transferrable set of skills from the pilot profession.
 
Mweiss:

MWeiss said: “Yes, pilots can be trapeze artists as well, but the point really is that there is not a readily transferrable set of skills from the pilot profession.â€

USA320Pilot comments: So what? I am not trying to be sarcastic or to take statements "too literally", but the truth is many pilots are so “feed up†with the changes in the industry they are looking at other areas outside of aviation for employment.

For example, I understand Home Depot pays their store manager’s six figure incomes and I understand many US Airways furloughed pilots are in the Home Depot Store Manager training program. The Home Depot Store Manager challenge: these men and women work brutal hours and long days. The point is pilot’s have many skills and do not have to fly. However, many pilots love the job and are willing to work for less because it’s fun the fly a jet.

Therefore, for me and many others, I do not care if being a pilot does not let you “readily transfer†that single skill because pilot’s have many other skills that they can use in today’s marketplace. Piloting is just a job…just like being a F/A, mechanic, CSA, RSA, administrative specialist, planner, etc, and there are many other opportunities for those who have desirable qualifications.

For me the decision on whether or not I remain with the company will be based on a number of factors, just not pay because at this point in my life, quality of life is number one because I want to spend as much time as possible with my wife and kids. However, I can tell you this, even with an America West type of contract imposed on the pilot group, I still am hopeful I can retire early, provided everything remains status quo.

Respectfully,

USA320Pilot
 
mweiss said:
Oh, come on. 🙄 Bus drivers (the road ones) don't have to deal with anywhere near the complexity of a gusty crosswind low vis landing.

I guess this is where I get off. :lol: There's a big difference between the extreme pressure to get the aircraft repaired and back in service, where quick is measured in minutes, and the extreme pressure of the aforementioned landing, where quick is measured in tenths of a second. That'd be a couple of orders of magnitude difference, in fact.
Do you fly? The aircraft nowadays are way capable of handling your above mentioned complex landing and do it on their own. Try that with a load of kids on a bus on a winding road with ice at night with drunk drivers and lunatics driving.

No need to say anything about your second paragraph ,,, see above
 
USA320Pilot said:
Yes, pilots can be trapeze artists

I want to spend as much time as possible with my wife and kids.
The only trapeze about it is wiggiling into your seat.

Hold on what happened to the big gripe about you can't do 95 hours because you are away so long from home????
 
usairways_vote_NO said:
Do you fly?
Not turbines, but yeah.

The aircraft nowadays are way capable of handling your above mentioned complex landing and do it on their own.
The folks up there are up there to handle the situation when they aren't. I sure feel better knowing that there are capable people up there in case another UA232 happens.
 
USA320Pilot said:
You seem to think that the only thing pilots can do is fly aircraft. I happen to have an Aeronautical Engineering degree, I am a retired U.S. Air Force Reserve officer where I held a key operations officer position, I currently am a successful commodities trader, and I was recently offered the opportunity to become the head hitting instructor and owner of a successful baseball hitting school.


With all due respect, pilots can do many other things than just fly aircraft.



In fact, that’s why the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review wrote earlier this week that “dozens of US Airways employees attended meetings at Pittsburgh International Airport to get information on what to do if they lose their jobs. Most employees who attended a meeting yesterday afternoon said they were worried about their jobs but had no plans to bail out early. They said the job market in Western Pennsylvania made it difficult to find another job that paid as well as their positions with US Airways (click here for story).â€￾

As I have said before,
If you have so much going for you why are you so willng to be so selfish and ask others to give up their professions just so you can have your fun flying? I don't believe it for a minute, no you are the the scared little puppy so unwilling to stand up to the company for whats right because you afraid of what will happen.


With all do respect you could become a spinmister for sure.

The attended because they fear the end is coming soon why else would they be there? and why no plans to bail out early? HAHAHA because its full pay to the last AND they are not listening to you!! lol (i.e. not bail out).

Please explain to me and the others that want to know.. why do you think it helps to post your same old trash over and over and over again? Do you think anyone will start to beleive it?


As you have said before and again and before and again and etc..
 
mweiss said:
Not turbines, but yeah.

Case closed


The folks up there are up there to handle the situation when they aren't. I sure feel better knowing that there are capable people up there in case another UA232 happens.

Doesn't change the fact that the aircraft can do it (not so for your non turbines)
 
usairways_vote_NO said:
Doesn't change the fact that the aircraft can do it (not so for your non turbines)
In fact, it does. Did UA232 land itself?
 
Alright the pilot bashing is getting way out of hand. Point blank, USA320pilot does not speak for the pilot group. In fact, the stupid inciting debate against pilots is precisely why he should turn off his computer now. Pilots have been hammered at this company. Most of you should know better. You don't like what's about to happen to you so now you lash out. Understandable. But keep in mind this pilot group is the finest flying out there. They do their job right, the company keeps going. All it takes is one "thing", which I will not even discuss, and this company has had it and this whole dumb thread will be a very moot point. So, before you start comdemning this group, think hard, think long, and be thankful they've been totally professional in spite of losing half their wages and pension. The company's fate is truly in their hands everyday.
 
Eyeinthesky:

We have disagreed in this forum, which is fine because two minds can create three minds. Regardless, I want to thank you for your last post.

Respectfully,

USA320Pilot
 
USA320pilot, I hear ya. I may not agree with your "tactics" but what the hell. I just think everyone knows how bad things are and it doesn't help with the constant gloom doom news that you post. Do you think you could just tone it down a bit? Please? It would really go a long way in the "Peace Process." As for pilot pay, I see the pay checks, and it totally sucks. Keep flying safe.
 
cavalier said:
Sorry can’t help myself on this one!


FAIR, hell yes and damn right it’s fair! Considering the fact even with all the hits your group took you’ll still be way better off than any other single work group on the property, all the way around. Don’t cry poor captain when everyone else KNOWS what that term really means. Even making way less, you still make WAY more. You kill me, and thank GOD not literality that is.
CAV, C'mon!!!!! This quote is pure Bull#$$@!!!!!! They are pilots, we are IAM. They make more!!!!! It's been that way for 50 years!!! Why fall prey to the class envy thing????? They make more, so they can afford to give more????? That is the most ignorant thinking. You said you were not going to respond to 320 anymore. The reason you continue to do so is your dislike of EVERYTHING he says. You and 700!!! I happen to think he posts some viable info. You ( and me) may not like what he has to say, but when someone on this board posts info that needs to be talked about, they are attacked as a "company" person, or someone who is out of touch. Cav, whether you like it or not, the pilots have been slammed hard! To think that they can accomidate Mngt easier because of what they make is NOT rational thinking!! You told me about your son before, Whats to say he deserves everything he may EARN in the future?????? STOP this class envy bullshit!!! GOOD DAY!!!!!
 
WorldTraveler said:
This topic has covered alot of ground from my first look at it a couple hours ago.

A320pilot,
Congratulations on working in the profession that probably has the LEAST transferrable skillset imaginable, esp. at the compensation level pilots have been used to. Because you cannot take your skills elsewhere, you and lots of other pilots have no other choice but to accept the wage your employers are willing to offer. Given that there are probably close to 10K US based major airline pilots out of work, pilots will have little ability to dictate their salaries for years to come.

If my son tells me he wants to become an airline pilot, I'll probably sit down and have a long chat with him.

Of course, a collateral benefit is that military pilots are much more likely to stay in the military instead of jumping ship after the taxpayers have invested significantly in their training. Perhaps that is the real motive for the government's attack on airline employee salaries. :shock:
Not true...... Plenty of pilots are college educated with a DEGREE, and if they needed to, could go to another line of work
 

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