TLV service ending?

[WorldTraveler]

I can assure you that there are far worse stretches of road between a lot of cities that are far larger in other countries in the world. and sometimes no railways at all.

Even with its failings, you can get from PHL to NYC other than by air.

and it isn't necessary for PHL to have nonstop service to a particular city in order to be connected to the world.

The loss of TLV to the AA network is more significant than the loss of TLV service from PHL.

 

[zethya]

..................The loss of TLV to the AA network is more significant than the loss of TLV service from PHL.

And that to me is why this purported reason for cancellation is highly suspicious. It is illogical for a true Global airline based in the U.S. to not serve Israel - regardless of performance (if that claim is even accurate). I predict we'll see this route re-established before it's canceled or moved to JFK. 

 

[wings396]

As a few have posted on here, Parker and his crew are not known to operate routes that don't make money. It makes zero sense that they would have kept this market alive for 6 years if it were losing money. Not for one second do I believe that they would have tied up 2 332s in order for them to bleed cash for thar long. If they were feeling optimistic, maybe they would have given it 2 years to become profitable. I believe that there is more to this saga than they are letting on.

 

[FWAAA]

There are a lot of countries with large populations and large economies not served nonstop by new AA, including Russia, India, Nigeria, South Africa, Indonesia, Vietnam, Egypt, Pakistan, Turkey, the Phillippines and Taiwan. Not to mention the "must-serve" destination of Dubai.

AA's smaller competitors, DL and UA, serve several of them nonstop.

Old high cost AA tried DME and DEL, but abandoned them in the face of record fuel prices.

 

[zethya]

There are a lot of countries with large populations and large economies not served nonstop by new AA, including Russia, India, Nigeria, South Africa, Indonesia, Vietnam, Egypt, Pakistan, Turkey, the Phillippines and Taiwan. Not to mention the "must-serve" destination of Dubai.

AA's smaller competitors, DL and UA, serve several of them nonstop.

Old high cost AA tried DME and DEL, but abandoned them in the face of record fuel prices.

However, except for India, none of those countries has near the supportive ethnic populations of the American Jewish communities.

 

[dash8roa]

Now what new cities can the aircraft be used on? Any chance on going back to ARN,MXP, OSL or maybe Eastern Europe such as Prague, Budapest?

 

[700UW]

http://www.haaretz.com/business/.premium-1.672539

 

[nycbusdriver]

Now what new cities can the aircraft be used on? Any chance on going back to ARN,MXP, OSL or maybe Eastern Europe such as Prague, Budapest?

 
How about Berlin where AA can hub with our thirdworld Alliance buddies, Air Berlin?

 

[WorldTraveler]

TLV won't be the last market to fall for AA or any airline if the market can't properly assess and work with the current global economic situation and there won't be replacement routes added.

 

[700UW]

TLV won't be the last market to fall for AA or any airline if the market can't properly assess and work with the current global economic situation and there won't be replacement routes added.

Like ORD-LHR and other markets to LHR for DL?

 

[FWAAA]

http://www.haaretz.com/business/.premium-1.672539

Rina Rozenberg and Zohar Blumenkrantz are as stupid as they come. Gary Leff responds to their ignorant garbage:

http://viewfromthewing.boardingarea.com/2015/08/24/was-american-airlines-pressured-by-qatar-to-end-israel-service/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+boardingarea%2Fviewfromthewing+%28View+from+the+Wing%29

His post also contains a response to the oft-mentioned "No way would Parker keep a money-loser for six years and then cancel it:

“No one would have operated a money losing route for so many years.” I don’t have independent data on the profitability of Philadelphia – Tel Aviv. But you don’t expect to make money serving a new destination (country!) when you first start. After the first 3 years of service the focus of US Airways leadership was on the American merger, and they could have judged that an inopportune time to kill the route. There’s nothing inherent in six years of service that alone suggests the route was making money.

The route began just as the recession ended and as fuel costs were still high, and Parker gave it an extended chance. By 2012, when US management was consumed by the potential merger with AA, that was not the right time to axe the TLV route - it would not have sent the right message about mergers and cutting of routes. Same reason US began those seasonal CLT-Europe routes that didn't come back for their second season: they were started as much for the PR value as for the profits.

 

[autofixer]

http://www.4-traders.com/AMERICAN-AIRLINES-GROUP-I-15171667/news/American-Airlines--Israeli-Airlines-Claim-American-Airlines-Cut-Their-Route-For-Arab-Carriers-20922564/

 

[zethya]

FWAAA, on 24 Aug 2015 - 1:25 PM, said "Quotes":
"Rina Rozenberg and Zohar Blumenkrantz are as stupid as they come "
Do you actually know Rozenberg and Zohar to make that accusation?
 
"Gary Leff responds to their ignorant garbage"
So you feel a Travel BLOG creator has more insight/credibility than the Israeli Press??? 
 
"The route began just as the recession ended and as fuel costs were still high, and Parker gave it an extended chance. By 2012, when US management was consumed by the potential merger with AA, that was not the right time to axe the TLV route - it would not have sent the right message about mergers and cutting of routes. Same reason US began those seasonal CLT-Europe routes that didn't come back for their second season: they were started as much for the PR value as for the profits."
And you know this how??
 
It's obvious, that according to you, anything not JFK centric or AA pre-merger centric is incapable of success. If PHL was canceled due to performance, then why are there announced plans to close the TLV station and re-locate the staff and why isn't the route being transfered to magical JFK?  The obvious fact is, that for some reason, AA is abandoning Isreal - not just PHL-TLV. The AA/Qatar/OW relationship is as credible a reason as any, regardless that is doesn't agree with your agenda/assertions . 

 

[PHL]

If AA dropped the route because mid-East carriers pressured them to, then why do other OW partners like IB, BA and AB still fly it?  I call Bullpucky

 

[WorldTraveler]

Like ORD-LHR and other markets to LHR for DL?

DL didn't ever fly ORD-LHR so I'm not sure what your point is any more than AA never flew the often hyped MIA-TLV route and based on AA's decision to completely leave Israel, MIA-TLV won't ever happen.

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FWAAA's explanation of the timing of PHL-TLV being started as a high profile route that didn't work out and couldn't be stopped because of the implications to the AA/US merger process - or the desire to get it started - is credible.

but if that argument is true, then it says that just like the CLT to Europe routes which have been cut, there will be more and more of AA/US network that will have to be rationalized given that AA's revenue performance is still below average for the big 4 carriers which is a reason why AAL stock has performed worse compared to some of its peers over the past several months.

The theory that leaving Israel because of Arab interests in oneworld is flimsy and divisive from the get-go both in the logic and the proof.

The issue is about profits for AA/US on PHL-TLV. Period.

Whether that includes requirements that AA now pay debts at TLV that it has avoided or not is far from clear but if the decision is solely about route specific finances, there will be more cuts.

and of course the irony is that if the issue really does involve HR issues regarding Israeli laws, then the problem is compounded even further by AA's withdrawal from the market a 2nd time involving yet another group of workers.