The twu just spit in your face!

[AMFAinMIAMI]

Question, What do you gain by putting others down that have nothing to do with our fellow mechanics voting YES? I doubt when the FAs left and formed the APFA they bothered tearing down Mechanics , baggage handlers and Stock Clerks. All that does is make mechanics look bad, it makes it look like we dont have enough of an arguement to promote our profession so we attack people who earn less than we do.

Pilots get what they get because they negotiate it. Is there really any difference between what an Eagle pilot does and what a 777 pilot does? The pay is very different though, why? Because the pilots negotiate better deals. A 777 sitting on the ground eats up a lot more money than an RJ.

Bob

I am not gaining a thing putting his selected craft down, that was not my point he is not an AA employee, Not an A&P, has nothing to do with the TWU or AA yet he feels the need to voice and put his two cents in to whats going on here when we have enough trouble explaining what the TWU and IBT is and will do to our class and craft.

Him and others who have NO SAY or clue about our trade should not be voicing an opinion about it.

Pilots are seperate, F/A are seperate, I deserve to be seperate as well. Having a group/union who knows my job and has/will be effected by the decisions made by them.

The Teamsters are GREAT for the truckers, IBEW for the electricians, AMFA is for the mechanics of the airlines, which includes automotive/facilities/utility/aircraft.

The idea that we should all be together is something that the industrial unions have trained the other work groups to think. It is not we feel we are better just want to be on our own. I have always said a union guy is a some one who supports all union labor. NO MATTER which union, I would support the stock clerks/ramp no matter what union they are in. I don't care I just want my clas and craft to have it's own union.

I can't explain it any better....

But to have them have an influence on what I make and what my class and craft gets from now until the cows come home is NOT acceptable any longer.

I don't care how much money they make as long as the company gives our craft what all other trades get, without having to look at who else is a part of that.

 

[WNMECH]

Question, What do you gain by putting others down that have nothing to do with our fellow mechanics voting YES? I doubt when the FAs left and formed the APFA they bothered tearing down Mechanics , baggage handlers and Stock Clerks. All that does is make mechanics look bad, it makes it look like we dont have enough of an arguement to promote our profession so we attack people who earn less than we do.

Pilots get what they get because they negotiate it. Is there really any difference between what an Eagle pilot does and what a 777 pilot does? The pay is very different though, why? Because the pilots negotiate better deals. A 777 sitting on the ground eats up a lot more money than an RJ.

Bob
Do you agree a with the US IAM CBA?
Do you like the idea of stock clerks voting on the contract that determine the mechanics wages?
Would you like to have the AA stock clerks voting on your contract?
I am not putting them down but i think they deserve to have their own CBA where only they vote on their wages.
Do you agree or disagree that they should have their own contract?

 

[700UW]

So it's ok for a gse mechanic or a plant mtc mechanic to vote on an aircraft mechanics wages?

So it's ok for mechanics to vote on utility or stock clerk wages?

How is it when the shoe is on the other foot?

And you have put other classifications down your previous posts shows this.

 

[WNMECH]

So it's ok for a gse mechanic or a plant mtc mechanic to vote on an aircraft mechanics wages?

Yes.
We have just one pay scale for mechanics, GSE and plant maintenance.
The other two just don't get a license premium.
We can transfer back and forth to these jobs by bidding for them if we give up our license pay.

Are stock clerks and mechanics on the same exact pay scale at US ?

No?
Then why should they vote on someone else's pay scale?

The other shoe is on YOUR foot.

 

[700UW]

So why should mechanics vote on utility or stores pay rates?

Also they are way more mechanics that stores and utility combined doesn't sway the vote.

At US before bankruptcy there were over 6,000 mechanics, 1,000 utility and like 300 stock clerks

 

[WNMECH]

So it's ok for mechanics to vote on utility or stock clerk wages?

I never said that.

 

[WNMECH]

So why should mechanics vote on utility or stores pay rates?

Also they are way more mechanics that stores and utility combined doesn't sway the vote.

At US before bankruptcy there were over 6,000 mechanics, 1,000 utility and like 300 stock clerks

So because one group is bigger than the other then it is ok to you?
All the more reason each group should be able to bargain for themselves and be able to get what they are worth on their own.
It is clear to me, you are all for the coattail riding and will call anyone who disagrees an elitist.

 

[WNMECH]

So why should mechanics vote on utility or stores pay rates?

Also they are way more mechanics that stores and utility combined doesn't sway the vote.

At US before bankruptcy there were over 6,000 mechanics, 1,000 utility and like 300 stock clerks

The stock clerks and mechanics at US are no longer in the same class and craft.

Why are they still on the same contract?

The IAM doesn't want to spend the money on a separate contract negotiation?

The stock clerks want the coattails?

When you were the only stock clerk on the contract negotiation committee for US mechanics, it is clear where your only power came from.

THE MECHANICS COATTAILS.

 

[AMFAinMIAMI]

So it's ok for a gse mechanic or a plant mtc mechanic to vote on an aircraft mechanics wages?

So it's ok for mechanics to vote on utility or stock clerk wages?

How is it when the shoe is on the other foot?

And you have put other classifications down your previous posts shows this.

700UW

Hey 700uw the NMB has auto/facilities/aircraft in the class and craft, they vote with us.

Again your NOT AA

YOUR NOT TWU

YOUR NOT IN OUR CLASS AND CRAFT

YOUR NOT A MECHANIC

YOU DON'T HAVE AN A&P


You are an IAM supporting Stock clerk who has NO say or should have any input as to what goes on here at AA.

I don't own this site so don't come back with that crap but why don't you go to USAir and tell the mechanics there who are IAM supporters how they must deal with Parker and the Raid by the Teamsters.

Oh since you are or were so good at making copies and going to the printer you have to brag about it tell the Mechanics at USAir that maybe they will listen to you..

AMFA at AA in 2013

 

[700UW]

Do you understand the concept of a message board?

And I guess you don't understand unionism either.

I guess your lack of knowledge and the ability to debate with facts, you have to try and insult and attack someone who doesnt agree with you.

No wonder why AA got concessions from you in 2003 and again now.

 

[AMFAinMIAMI]

Do you understand the concept of a message board?

And I guess you don't understand unionism either.

I guess your lack of knowledge and the ability to debate with facts, you have to try and insult and attack someone who doesnt agree with you.

No wonder why AA got concessions from you in 2003 and again now.

"YES" its for those who should have an input on the subject at hand and with some working knowledge of the subject.

Again

NOT TWU

NOT A&P

NOT MECHANIC

NOT AMERICAN EMPLOYEE

You are giving opinions on stuff you don't have first hand knowledge of. Just like you told me I am not an USAir employee or affiliated with the IAM and I was not there.

Well your not here at AA either and your an IAM stock clerk.

AMFA AT AA IN 2013

 

[WNMECH]

Do you understand the concept of a message board?

And I guess you don't understand unionism either.

I guess your lack of knowledge and the ability to debate with facts, you have to try and insult and attack someone who doesnt agree with you.

No wonder why AA got concessions from you in 2003 and again now.

You have failed to answer any questions I pose to you.
When presented with facts it is you who has failed to debate.

It can't be lack of knowledge, you have already told us how you have vast knowledge.

Is it you can't face the fact that without the mechanics on your contract, you lose almost all your bargaining power?

 

[lineguy43]

So why should mechanics vote on utility or stores pay rates?

Also they are way more mechanics that stores and utility combined doesn't sway the vote.

At US before bankruptcy there were over 6,000 mechanics, 1,000 utility and like 300 stock clerks

I say no mechanics should not be voting on your issues anymore than you voting on ours. This is what I despise about industrial catch all unions like the Iam. I don't know how it became looked at as mechanics being "Elitists" because we want to be a standalone unit. Look I started on the ramp I also was a diesel mechanic in a previous life which allowed me to get a GSE spot then I worked full time and went to school full time and obtained my A@P then bid an A@P spot and worked hanger than line and worked midnights forever to gain experience and for what? To have the Iam tell me a loaf of bread costs the same for a stock clerk or agent or ramp guy as it does for an aircraft mechanic so that justifies similar wages? I started thinking what the hell did I go and get that A@P for. AMFAinMIAMI said it best. Pilots have their own union as do F/A's so do Dispatchers. But when we wanted it for ourselves all of a sudden were looked at as being "Elitists". Unions like the Iam have helped keep the class and craft structured with their influence on the NMB to make sure mechanics always have someone hitched to them like in our case it was the cleaners. We had to accept them into AMFA even though they have no business being in our class and craft. The Iam really thought in the case of NWA that the cleaners would split the vote and AMFA would never succeed. They (IAM) couldn't have been more wrong as the cleaners were fed up with the Iam too since there was language in the CBA that a ramp guy could displace a cleaner in the event of a RIF. I have the utmost respect for my friends who are rampers and stock clerks but the fact is I work at non union (FX) I make a 6 figure salary for a reason. I am paid for my responsibilty and experience I jumped through the hoops to get my A@P and my experience to get hired here. I do not begrudge pilots making a lot more money they jumped through the right hoops to get to their position. Sorry to be long winded but just wanted you to see my point of view.

 

[700UW]

Base rate for a US mechanic is $28.48.

Stock Clerk is $20.64

Utility is $18.45

Pretty large gap.

 

[WNMECH]

I say no mechanics should not be voting on your issues anymore than you voting on ours. This is what I despise about industrial catch all unions like the Iam. I don't know how it became looked at as mechanics being "Elitists" because we want to be a standalone unit. Look I started on the ramp I also was a diesel mechanic in a previous life which allowed me to get a GSE spot then I worked full time and went to school full time and obtained my A@P then bid an A@P spot and worked hanger than line and worked midnights forever to gain experience and for what? To have the Iam tell me a loaf of bread costs the same for a stock clerk or agent or ramp guy as it does for an aircraft mechanic so that justifies similar wages? I started thinking what the hell did I go and get that A@P for. AMFAinMIAMI said it best. Pilots have their own union as do F/A's so do Dispatchers. But when we wanted it for ourselves all of a sudden were looked at as being "Elitists". Unions like the Iam have helped keep the class and craft structured with their influence on the NMB to make sure mechanics always have someone hitched to them like in our case it was the cleaners. We had to accept them into AMFA even though they have no business being in our class and craft. The Iam really thought in the case of NWA that the cleaners would split the vote and AMFA would never succeed. They (IAM) couldn't have been more wrong as the cleaners were fed up with the Iam too since there was language in the CBA that a ramp guy could displace a cleaner in the event of a RIF. I have the utmost respect for my friends who are rampers and stock clerks but the fact is I work at non union (FX) I make a 6 figure salary for a reason. I am paid for my responsibilty and experience I jumped through the hoops to get my A@P and my experience to get hired here. I do not begrudge pilots making a lot more money they jumped through the right hoops to get to their position. Sorry to be long winded but just wanted you to see my point of view.

Exactly my point.
I don't want to vote on pilots wages and they should not be on my contract.

If they are a separate class and craft, they should be on separate contracts.