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- Mar 17, 2008
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Bob said he didn't agree with elitist remarks.
Why aren't stores and utility on their own CBAs?
Why aren't stores and utility on their own CBAs?
The twu just spit in your face!
- Thread starter Ken MacTiernan
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There were MROs when I came into this industry, try another excuse.
Sure it is, said I dont agree with Elitsist remarks didnt I? Read it again.
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- #18
My bad Bob, sorry.
The NMB has ruled at US in 1949 that mechanics, stores and utility were the same class and craft, after the merger the NMB gave stores their own certification but they are still on the mechanic and related CBA.
Because mechanics and utility/cleaners are the same class and craft.
But MROs and chapter 11 wasnt the case years ago, the airlines have used bankruptcy as a tool to bring the wages down and the unions dont have the guts to take on the companies.
The NMB has ruled at US in 1949 that mechanics, stores and utility were the same class and craft, after the merger the NMB gave stores their own certification but they are still on the mechanic and related CBA.
Because mechanics and utility/cleaners are the same class and craft.
But MROs and chapter 11 wasnt the case years ago, the airlines have used bankruptcy as a tool to bring the wages down and the unions dont have the guts to take on the companies.
Socplat13
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When the United Mechanics were in the IAM they had their own district and negotiated separately from all other classifications. However, they had all the IAM resources available to them. There is no doubt the IAM would do that for the Mechanics at the New American.
Storeroom Clerks/Stores is not part of the Mechanics and Related class and craft. The NMB determined that.
It is very understandable that Mechanics want autonomy as their issues are different and distinct from other classes and crafts. But, small craft unions are not the way.
Storeroom Clerks/Stores is not part of the Mechanics and Related class and craft. The NMB determined that.
It is very understandable that Mechanics want autonomy as their issues are different and distinct from other classes and crafts. But, small craft unions are not the way.
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Yes, but at WN the cleaners are in the class/craft but have a seperate CBA. I'm all for cleaners and stores getting paid $25/hr, cos that means I should be at $45. Not elitist, just more responsibility with the job.
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It wasnt just UA mechanics in DL 141M, US Air mechanics were in it too, along with cleaners and stores at US Air.
UA negotiated for mechanics and cleaners, it wasnt just mechanics, DL 141M was run by Scottie Ford.
From 1949 till the US/HP merger, stores was part of the class and craft at US Airways.
UA negotiated for mechanics and cleaners, it wasnt just mechanics, DL 141M was run by Scottie Ford.
From 1949 till the US/HP merger, stores was part of the class and craft at US Airways.
Are you saying that the IAM would do for us what they did for the mechanics at US? :down:
You are completely off your rocker. Yes. So what "market rate" is the company using at SWA? Never once have I stated that we or anybody deserves more money at other peoples expence. This is how your train of thought brought you to this conclusion and no one elses. When there is a much smaller group on the receiving end of a percentage wage increase then absolutely there is more money going to the smaller group, than there would be if we had to include another group to split up the pie budgeted for the group. Separate the mechs to their own craft and class union and you will see an improvement. We did it here at SWA with the cleaners getting their own contract and completely separate from the mechs. One very good example would be the contracts where the cleaners took a pay freeze in place of stock options, and the mechs received both pay increases, stock options, as well as signing bonuses and yearly bonuses. It does make a difference in the end, rather you want to admit it or not. Now I can only speak for this happening at SWA.
The answer to that would be YES!...I lived it at NWA was iam from 1988 to 2000 and in the interest of keeping this short the pay separation from a topped out AMT and a topped out ramp and stores was within a few dollars an hr at best. Our retirement was also very close. When AMFA finally was certified as our barganing agent our very first contract my pay jumped over 13 dollars and hr and my retirement went from a paltry 40 dollars per month to 85 thats more than double. That sure tells me that negotiating on our own is the better choice. The class and craft rules dictated by the NMB still hurt the AMT. We are still far too large a group and contrary to iam belief strength in numbers I have found it is a hinderance. Take the dispatchers for example. Very small group. the dispatch certificate takes on average 5 to 6 weeks to obtain as opposed to close to 2 yrs for an A@P. The Twu is their primary representitive at most carriers. They make far and away more money than mechancs do as well as other perks they have such as being in CASS which allows them to cockpit jumpseat on most carriers like the pilots do. Think we get that little benny? Not a chance. A smaller skilled group that negotiates as a stand alone unit will always out negotiate a larger one.
AMFAinMIAMI
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Lineguy43
More guys like your self need to set the rest of the mechanics across the industry straight as to what happened at NWA.
All the lies that the TWU and IBT have told as to what happened are spun into lies to make AMFA lok bad.
Thanks for your INPUT.
AMFAinMIAMI
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For information to all that read this.
700uw is a stock clerk by trade he also supports the IAM. He also believes he should have a say what happens here at AA. He is not even an AA employee. Never was...
Just like here at AA store is some what attached to M&R by that he thinks that they are part of our class and craft as well. Even though he has been shown the NMB ruling as to who is in our class and craft.
Stores will not have a say when a vote comes to AA, to rid us of the TWU and it will not have a vote after we switch either or merge with USAir. Aircraft/Facilities/Automotive Mechanics will vote NOT STORES>>> No matter how many times he has been told he just does not get it.
700uw will also say that he sat in on negotiations with the IAM while he was working, but he never was part of the IAM international. Just like our officers here at AA don't sit in either they sit in an adjoining room then get fed info from Intl. Get divided into groups to talk about certain articles which being discussed, then give input to Intl team.
The only UNION that the average A&P can actually sit in on negotiations is AMFA. NOT the IBT/TWU/IAM
He calls us who want to be seperate elitest because if we were not attached to the Ramp and stores all the yrs we would be making more money and those work groups would be making alot less.
EVen Small groups at AA that are TWU make more money than the A&P's. But 700UW wants you to believe that small unions won't get a better deal.
700uw is a stock clerk by trade he also supports the IAM. He also believes he should have a say what happens here at AA. He is not even an AA employee. Never was...
Just like here at AA store is some what attached to M&R by that he thinks that they are part of our class and craft as well. Even though he has been shown the NMB ruling as to who is in our class and craft.
Stores will not have a say when a vote comes to AA, to rid us of the TWU and it will not have a vote after we switch either or merge with USAir. Aircraft/Facilities/Automotive Mechanics will vote NOT STORES>>> No matter how many times he has been told he just does not get it.
700uw will also say that he sat in on negotiations with the IAM while he was working, but he never was part of the IAM international. Just like our officers here at AA don't sit in either they sit in an adjoining room then get fed info from Intl. Get divided into groups to talk about certain articles which being discussed, then give input to Intl team.
The only UNION that the average A&P can actually sit in on negotiations is AMFA. NOT the IBT/TWU/IAM
He calls us who want to be seperate elitest because if we were not attached to the Ramp and stores all the yrs we would be making more money and those work groups would be making alot less.
EVen Small groups at AA that are TWU make more money than the A&P's. But 700UW wants you to believe that small unions won't get a better deal.
AMFA AT AA IN 2013
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- #27
Glad to see you are posting total lies.
You arent and never were a US Airways employee or an IAM represented mechanic at US.
The Negotiating Committee at US was made up of three General Chairs, two were US Airways A&Ps and one was a GSE mechanic.
The Grievance Committee Chairmen from CLT and PHL, both US Airways mechanics.
One Grand Lodge Rep who was a former TWA Mechanic.
Myself representing Stores and Utility.
And William O'Driscoll, who at the time was President of DL 142, and he was a former TWA Mechanic.
The District was in charge of negotiations, not the International, and there wasnt two rooms with negotiations going on, it was one room and we met together and negotiated with US Airways Labor Relations employees and the VP of Maintenance.
Funny why do you lie and tell stories?
So tell me if I wasnt part of it then why did I spend five days a week at CCY in Arlington, VA negotiating?
Why did I assemble the whole Final Offer, got it to the printers and sent to all Grievance Committee Chairmen to get it out to the employees?
Why did I do the roadshows to explain the CBA if I wasnt part of it?
You arent and never were a US Airways employee or an IAM represented mechanic at US.
The Negotiating Committee at US was made up of three General Chairs, two were US Airways A&Ps and one was a GSE mechanic.
The Grievance Committee Chairmen from CLT and PHL, both US Airways mechanics.
One Grand Lodge Rep who was a former TWA Mechanic.
Myself representing Stores and Utility.
And William O'Driscoll, who at the time was President of DL 142, and he was a former TWA Mechanic.
The District was in charge of negotiations, not the International, and there wasnt two rooms with negotiations going on, it was one room and we met together and negotiated with US Airways Labor Relations employees and the VP of Maintenance.
Funny why do you lie and tell stories?
So tell me if I wasnt part of it then why did I spend five days a week at CCY in Arlington, VA negotiating?
Why did I assemble the whole Final Offer, got it to the printers and sent to all Grievance Committee Chairmen to get it out to the employees?
Why did I do the roadshows to explain the CBA if I wasnt part of it?
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- #28
Glad to see you are posting total lies.
You arent and never were a US Airways employee or an IAM represented mechanic at US.
The Negotiating Committee at US was made up of three General Chairs, two were US Airways A&Ps and one was a GSE mechanic.
The Grievance Committee Chairmen from CLT and PHL, both US Airways mechanics.
One Grand Lodge Rep who was a former TWA Mechanic.
Myself representing Stores and Utility.
And William O'Driscoll, who at the time was President of DL 142, and he was a former TWA Mechanic.
The District was in charge of negotiations, not the International, and there wasnt two rooms with negotiations going on, it was one room and we met together and negotiated with US Airways Labor Relations employees and the VP of Maintenance.
Funny why do you lie and tell stories?
So tell me if I wasnt part of it then why did I spend five days a week at CCY in Arlington, VA negotiating?
Why did I assemble the whole Final Offer, got it to the printers and sent to all Grievance Committee Chairmen to get it out to the employees?
Why did I do the roadshows to explain the CBA if I wasnt part of it?
You arent and never were a US Airways employee or an IAM represented mechanic at US.
The Negotiating Committee at US was made up of three General Chairs, two were US Airways A&Ps and one was a GSE mechanic.
The Grievance Committee Chairmen from CLT and PHL, both US Airways mechanics.
One Grand Lodge Rep who was a former TWA Mechanic.
Myself representing Stores and Utility.
And William O'Driscoll, who at the time was President of DL 142, and he was a former TWA Mechanic.
The District was in charge of negotiations, not the International, and there wasnt two rooms with negotiations going on, it was one room and we met together and negotiated with US Airways Labor Relations employees and the VP of Maintenance.
Funny why do you lie and tell stories?
So tell me if I wasnt part of it then why did I spend five days a week at CCY in Arlington, VA negotiating?
Why did I assemble the whole Final Offer, got it to the printers and sent to all Grievance Committee Chairmen to get it out to the employees?
Why did I do the roadshows to explain the CBA if I wasnt part of it?
AMFAinMIAMI
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700UW
You are a stock clerk....
The IAM or any other Union is NOT going to send a stock clerk to negotiate a contract without the Legal team and the Intl. being involved. Get real...
Just as you claim to be in the same class and craft as Mechanics YOUR NOT. maybe part of M&R but as far as the NMB is concerned your a stock clerk and part of your own class and craft. No matter which union.
AMFAinMIAMI
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700UW
There is so much going on at USAir, the Iam has asked to be released from negotiations shouldn't you be over there helping them instead of spewing your bs here at AA.
There is also a Teamsters drive to replace the IAM are you telling all the IAM people to not support the IBT and not sign Teamsters cards.
Are you putting in as much time as you do here on the AA site, or is all your time spent here?
There is so much going on at USAir, the Iam has asked to be released from negotiations shouldn't you be over there helping them instead of spewing your bs here at AA.
There is also a Teamsters drive to replace the IAM are you telling all the IAM people to not support the IBT and not sign Teamsters cards.
Are you putting in as much time as you do here on the AA site, or is all your time spent here?
