The TWU Conssesions History

[TWU informer]

Nice lie swamt. AS shutdown the OAK overhaul base on AMFA's watch. Did not fight it.

Alaska representatives broke the news to Oakland mechanics in an early afternoon meeting in the base's break room, said Earl Clark, one of the technicians and an officer with the Aircraft Mechanics Fraternal Association. The company, he said, gave no warning that the base would be shut down.​

Read more: http://www.sfgate.co...p#ixzz29wuTkxUl​

And the TWU has lost MCI and AFW and thousands of jobs and more to come because Local 514 favored yes on 35% outsource.

When are going to sweep the F'ing dirt from your own porch and stop bashing others?

 

[Ken MacTiernan]

You AMFA clones are a joke. I hope you realize the TWU has represented SWA's Flight Attendants for many years. The TWU also represents the thousands of Ramp Agents, and the Dispatcher Group. So don't fall all over yourselves bragging about AMFA's accomplishments (based on a takeover of an IBT agreement). TWU has accomplished more than you have and they didn't have to outsource anything to do it. No one will deny SWA management is different than that at all other major carriers. How that will work with their new head of HR remains to be seen.

Thousands of ramp agents? You mean like those at AA who will be getting shown the door?

 

[Realityck]

Thousands of ramp agents? You mean like those at AA who will be getting shown the door?

That can and has happened in prior bankruptcies genius, but I'm glad you're concerned about FSC's since AMFA has always demeaned this work group.

 

[Overspeed]

And the TWU has lost MCI and AFW and thousands of jobs and more to come because Local 514 favored yes on 35% outsource.

When are going to sweep the F'ing dirt from your own porch and stop bashing others?

Swamt stated that AMFA never gave up jobs at AS or WN. I pointed out that is not true. AS only had a small portion of their overhaul in house and they have the rest away after AMFA took over purely to outsourcing.

MCI was closed due to less workload. Tell the whole truth.

AFW is being closed due to the 767 being moved to TUL and the 777 going to HAECO. AA will still have work in house than any other agreement. The TWU did that while AA is in BK protection. AMFA just gave it away at AS and UA without even a fight. Again Dave, what about all those machinists and welders that AMFA represents? Oops! At least I will have a job even under AMFA. But I will fight hard not to get your unlicensed mechanic job outsourced.

 

[DNTULSA]

Swamt stated that AMFA never gave up jobs at AS or WN. I pointed out that is not true. AS only had a small portion of their overhaul in house and they have the rest away after AMFA took over purely to outsourcing.

MCI was closed due to less workload. Tell the whole truth.



AFW is being closed due to the 767 being moved to TUL and the 777 going to HAECO. AA will still have work in house than any other agreement. The TWU did that while AA is in BK protection. AMFA just gave it away at AS and UA without even a fight. Again Dave, what about all those machinists and welders that AMFA represents? Oops! At least I will have a job even under AMFA. But I will fight hard not to get your unlicensed mechanic job outsourced.

Gosh, overspeed, will you fight as hard for the guys (and accomplish as little) as jim little did?

Results are more important than "hard fighting"

 

[Ken MacTiernan]

That can and has happened in prior bankruptcies genius, but I'm glad you're concerned about FSC's since AMFA has always demeaned this work group.

Thanks for acknowledging my genius and concern for FSC.

AMFA doesn't demean FSCs. You fail/refuse to see that AMFA is a CRAFT union and THAT is why AMTs will jettison the twu because the twu is not a craft union. Heck, the twu at AA isn't a union... a real union protects the membership NOT the few appointed, unaccountable officers. That fact doesn't need a genius to be understood so even you should be able to grasp it.

 

[Bob Owens]

It's write offs, charge offs, and legal fees. The operating profit is showing that the revenue is more in line costs. Sounds like the POR is working and their will be no CH7 like some on this blog have posted. AA will be leaner and have a much better balance sheet. I think we all know the a merger after BK exit is highly probable.

Hortons #1 Fan, what a suprise!


Write offs, charge offs and legal fees, much like the losses before filing BK. Remember the $980 million loss for "Goodwill" back in 2002?

Still waiting for answers, when you said "we" whom did you mean?

If we had accepted the 2010 TA wouldnt we still have had the least amount of Vacation?

Wouldnt we still have had the least sick time?

Wouldnt we still have had the least Holiday Pay?

Wouldnt we still have had the least IOD time?

Did you vote to accept this deal? Did you see the pilots are holding out for a shorter contract, industry standard in Pay and a decent pension? We could have been right next to them if not for guys like you who advocate for management and pretend to be Union.

 

[Bob Owens]

That can and has happened in prior bankruptcies genius, but I'm glad you're concerned about FSC's since AMFA has always demeaned this work group.

AA announced they are hiring 1500 Flight attendants.

So tell us Reality Check, if we had turned down the LBO where was AA going to send all those MD-80s? The 757 work that they have been outsourcing hasnt been going to well either.

Back in 2002 -2005, when the other carriers started outsourcing more than AA there were plenty of mechanics around, FBOs had no problems filling vacancies and taking on work because after 9-11 most airlines laid off thousands of seasoned A&Ps. Well that was then, this is now, there are many A&Ps out there any more and the FBOs are having a hard time finding people. There are very few layoffs of A&Ps at the moment, even when UAL and CAL merged, when DAL and NWA merged and when WN and AirTran merged none of them laid off any A&Ps, in fact all those carriers are hiring!!! Of course a lot can change over the additional six years that you chose to give AA but the fact is we could have been right next to the pilots.

 

[swamt]

Nice lie swamt. AS shutdown the OAK overhaul base on AMFA's watch. Did not fight it.

Alaska representatives broke the news to Oakland mechanics in an early afternoon meeting in the base's break room, said Earl Clark, one of the technicians and an officer with the Aircraft Mechanics Fraternal Association. The company, he said, gave no warning that the base would be shut down.​

Read more: http://www.sfgate.co...p#ixzz29wuTkxUl​

Read the entire article Overspeed. This was forced by the FAA. And you know why, and I will not say why. AMFA couldn't fight it. However, even if we were to give you this one (WHICH WE DO NOT) let's play your little game and say AMFA loss 340 jobs. How many has the TWU lost since 2004?? Huh chief?? And how about the teamsters since 2004??? It has been thousands upon thousands. And BTW chief, AMFA did not lose any jobs at UA the f-kin IAM did, read the dates chief. Go back to your corner and relieve Anomaly for the next round of punishment, hehehehe, gotta love this ####...

 

[Flying low]

Thanks for acknowledging my genius and concern for FSC.

AMFA doesn't demean FSCs. You fail/refuse to see that AMFA is a CRAFT union and THAT is why AMTs will jettison the twu because the twu is not a craft union. Heck, the twu at AA isn't a union... a real union protects the membership NOT the few appointed, unaccountable officers. That fact doesn't need a genius to be understood so even you should be able to grasp it.

Not to be picky, but isn't AMFA an association and not a union?

 

[swamt]

Swamt stated that AMFA never gave up jobs at AS or WN. I pointed out that is not true. AS only had a small portion of their overhaul in house and they have the rest away after AMFA took over purely to outsourcing.

MCI was closed due to less workload. Tell the whole truth.

AFW is being closed due to the 767 being moved to TUL and the 777 going to HAECO. AA will still have work in house than any other agreement. The TWU did that while AA is in BK protection. AMFA just gave it away at AS and UA without even a fight. Again Dave, what about all those machinists and welders that AMFA represents? Oops! At least I will have a job even under AMFA. But I will fight hard not to get your unlicensed mechanic job outsourced.

Notice no mention of the outsourcing AA will be doing under TWU watch, and notice no mention of the thousands upon thousands of job losses, lay-offs, rifs however they want to look at it to make themselves feel better.

 

[swamt]

AA announced they are hiring 1500 Flight attendants.

So tell us Reality Check, if we had turned down the LBO where was AA going to send all those MD-80s? The 757 work that they have been outsourcing hasnt been going to well either.

Back in 2002 -2005, when the other carriers started outsourcing more than AA there were plenty of mechanics around, FBOs had no problems filling vacancies and taking on work because after 9-11 most airlines laid off thousands of seasoned A&Ps. Well that was then, this is now, there are many A&Ps out there any more and the FBOs are having a hard time finding people. There are very few layoffs of A&Ps at the moment, even when UAL and CAL merged, when DAL and NWA merged and when WN and AirTran merged none of them laid off any A&Ps, in fact all those carriers are hiring!!! Of course a lot can change over the additional six years that you chose to give AA but the fact is we could have been right next to the pilots.

Hey Bob, just a friendly reminder; UAL/CAL did lay-off some employees due to the merger happening. They tried to blame Southwest and the city of Houston for voting for and allowing Southwest to go international from the secondary airport. It was all over the media here in Tx. It was a nice try for UAL to blame Houston and Southwest. Bob I don't remember what group of employees were effected, but I don't think any mechs were involved.

 

[1AA]

Hey Bob, just a friendly reminder; UAL/CAL did lay-off some employees due to the merger happening. They tried to blame Southwest and the city of Houston for voting for and allowing Southwest to go international from the secondary airport. It was all over the media here in Tx. It was a nice try for UAL to blame Houston and Southwest. Bob I don't remember what group of employees were effected, but I don't think any mechs were involved.

Hey with the TWU any employee is a layoff. You know the TWU catch all industrial union. They need to be specific and honest when throwing rocks. What goes around comes around.

 

[Anomaly]

Not to be picky, but isn't AMFA an association and not a union?

One of the first things amfa did in the UAL agreement was to replace all references to union. The word union was replaced by association in all applicable instances.

 

[Ken MacTiernan]

One of the first things amfa did in the UAL agreement was to replace all references to union. The word union was replaced by association in all applicable instances.

Hey Don,

The twu is still going to be removed by a craft union/association.

As far as replacing wording in a contract we at AA should have had the word twu replaced with "sell out".

It will be a glorious day when the words twu are no longer associated with representing AMTs. once AA votes in AMFA the twu will lose Eagle AMTs quickly there after.